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Date:      Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:16:51 +0400
From:      Pavel Timofeev <timp87@gmail.com>
To:        Johan Hendriks <joh.hendriks@gmail.com>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: x.0 RELASE isn't for production.
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2011/10/19 Johan Hendriks <joh.hendriks@gmail.com>

>  Pavel Timofeev schreef:
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>  I think we hurry. Imo, BETA/RC period for !NEW! STABLE branch should be> > longer. Six months, for example.> > New STABLE branch is very important!
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>  >> So is opening head up to allow developers to work on and commit new> code.  As with many things in engineering, there's a cost/benefit> trade-off.  RE is doing a remarkable job, IMO.>
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>  Sorry, don't misunderstand me. I'm talking about new STABLE branch.
> Maybe we need to change things like "BETA-1(2) is still CURRENT". For
> example, let's introduce a new concept "ALPHA" (which will be CURRENT). And
> BETAs will be STABLE.
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>  If you want a really stable OS ,then there is never going to be a release.
> In CURRENT, there are a lot of changes already that do not go into 9.0
> You _must_ take a point in time to release the release, even with known and
> pending patches.
> If you are going to wait, then there will never be a release.
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Yes, I agree, but there must be a golden mean.


> The 9.0.1, 9.0.2 branch idea is very apealling i must say.
> But here the same problem do we wait for that one patch that is waiting
> MFC?
> So the same problem when do you release the 9.0.x version!
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> Releasing the release is a trade-off.
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Ok, I understood.


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> I do like the current approach that FreeBSD uses.
> The only thing i think could be better is to slow down the release cycle.
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Yes, me too

I would like to see a release like 9.8, which then have an enormous real
> world exposure and where "all" possible bugs are ironed out.
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Well, it's a large number. x.3(4) - yes.
However, progress is developing faster and faster and we need to keep up
with him, so you're right below.

A release that you could use without hesitating  for your daily tasks.
> But then there is a trade-off again, all new features that are pending in
> CURRENT do not get as much exposure as we would like, and then when the new
> CURRENT become the next production release, we could have a much more
> buggier release then normal.
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> So i am glad i do not have to make these decisions.** :D
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> regards
> Johan Hendriks
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