From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 18 19:14:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D99510657A5 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:14:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from kozubik.com (kozubik.com [216.218.240.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6688FC14 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kozubik.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kozubik.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0IJDwOp060611; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:13:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by kozubik.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id q0IJDqsA060608; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:13:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@kozubik.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:13:52 -0800 (PST) From: John Kozubik To: Poul-Henning Kamp In-Reply-To: <5000.1326883643@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: References: <5000.1326883643@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Andriy Gapon Subject: Re: FreeBSD is becoming ... by, and for, FreeBSD developers - clarification X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:14:00 -0000 Hi Poul, Andriy, On Wed, 18 Jan 2012, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > FreeBSD has _always_ been a project by the community, for the community > and there is no way it can be any other way. > > (You can consider this a law of nature as far as voluntary organizations > of intelligent beings governed by the principle of self-interest.) I think there's been a slight misunderstanding. Of course the project is by the community and for the community, etc., and I agree that expecting it to be any other way is naive. What I was saying is that I see FreeBSD becoming an OS whose only purpose is the development of FreeBSD. Being detached from the end users is acceptable (albeit negative, I think) but being detached from the *end use* is not workable. > Traditionally successful ways of getting FreeBSD to do what you want: > > Join the community and do it yourself > Brib^H^H^H^HDonate cool hardware to community members > Brib^H^H^H^HPay cool cash to community members As you may know, I've (personally) put up several thousand dollars for specific bounties, projects and bug fixes over the last few years. Yesterday in the original thread I put up USD $50k as well as hardware, hosting and bandwidth. Cheers!