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To: Ronald Klop Cc: FreeBSD Current Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000282e0d06446c1687" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dG4mQ6295z3S79 --000000000000282e0d06446c1687 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 25, 2025, 6:52=E2=80=AFAM Ronald Klop wr= ote: > Hi, > > My build setup contains WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN which saved me a lot of time on > the Raspberry Pi's. > Since a while they are building llvm/clang stuff nonetheless. > I have the feeling this started when llvm/clang started to be build as > private libraries. > > > https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/commit/2e47f35be5dc61945afdbd1a70e= 8fd505c032c94 > > Could this change have influenced how WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN works? > Would it be possible to skip building these libraries using other knobs? > > Or is my thought about this unfounded? > In yhr last week or three i fixed a bug in metamode that eould always rebuild the toolchain... when did you last try? 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On Tue, Nov 25, 2025, 6:52=E2=80= =AFAM Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@= klop.ws> wrote:
Hi,

My build setup contains WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN which saved me a lot of time on t= he Raspberry Pi's.
Since a while they are building llvm/clang stuff nonetheless.
I have the feeling this started when llvm/clang started to be build as priv= ate libraries.

https://github= .com/freebsd/freebsd-src/commit/2e47f35be5dc61945afdbd1a70e8fd505c032c94

Could this change have influenced how WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN works?
Would it be possible to skip building these libraries using other knobs?
Or is my thought about this unfounded?


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Regards,
Ronald.

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