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To: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
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Subject: Re: text, menu/dialog/windowing, library, ideas? 
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 15:55:26 -0800
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From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
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> yet -- think that one's the charm?).  Enough that the fundamental
> concept needs to be questioned somewhat before someone unleashes
> another one on an unsuspecting (and largely disinterested) world.

I'm not disinterested and neither are any of the rest of us who would
love to start writing a "SAM" equivalent tool for FreeBSD but lack a
reasonable set of presentation objects that will work both at system
startup time (pre-X) and under X for those who prefer that
environment.  There are also quite a few folks who still don't run X,
and on many laptops (like mine) it's so painful to use that I stick
with the VTY interface anyway.

This needs to be done before a lot of stuff which many people are
*most definitely* interested in can take place, like a user-friendly
setup dialog for ppp (or any of a hundred other things I could name).

					Jordan