From owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 11:32:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA20716A4B3 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail14.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C909C43FFB for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:32:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 29276 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 18:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender )encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Sep 2003 18:32:01 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8JIVW6Y094325; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:31:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20030919111438.5025ea0c.cpressey@catseye.mine.nu> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:31:35 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Chris Pressey X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail selection options in sysinstall(8). X-BeenThere: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Quality Assurance List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:32:12 -0000 On 19-Sep-2003 Chris Pressey wrote: > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:53:49 +0100 > Ceri Davies wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 10:51:44AM -0700, Chris Pressey wrote: >> > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:48:02 -0700 >> > Michael Sierchio wrote: >> > >> > > Simon L. Nielsen wrote: >> > > >> > > > As mentioned by Tom's original mail that isn't possible due to >> > > > the qmail license. You can go bug djb about it :-) (though I >> > > > doubt it will change anything). >> > > > >> > > > Note, the license is the reason why qmail isn't included, it's >> > > > not a crusade against qmail - I also use qmail myself some >> > > > places. >> > > >> > > Note: in my view the problem is that the current port maintainer >> > > has decided to produce an install that is not conformant with >> > > Dan's license granting an exception to the requirement for his >> > > approval. It is entirely possible to make a binary package that >> > > either: meets with his approval, or; fulfills the requirements >> > > for the exemption. >> > >> > I quite agree. Quoting http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html : >> > >> > "You are permitted to distribute a precompiled var-qmail package if >> > (1) installing the package produces exactly the same /var/qmail >> > hierarchy as a user would obtain by downloading, compiling, and >> > installing qmail-1.03.tar.gz, fastforward-0.51.tar.gz, and >> > dot-forward-0.71.tar.gz;(2) the package behaves correctly, i.e., the >> > same way as normal qmail+fastforward+dot-forward installations on >> > all other systems; and(3) the package's creator warrants that he has >> > made a good-faith attempt to ensure that the package behaves >> > correctly." >> > >> > Frankly I'd be surprised if a package built straight from the qmail >> > port didn't meet these requirements. >> >> If I installed a package that put itself in /var simply because the >> guy who wrote it says that's where it should be (on my system!), then >> I wouldn't be best pleased. Enough said. > > But that's not an argument for denying it to other users, who quite > possibly agree that it should go into /var, or who simply don't care > overmuch where it goes. Most FreeBSD packages do allow you to use an arbitray prefix. See pkg_add(8) for more info. The debate seems to be that djb@ doesn't want any precompiled packages to have that flexibility for whatever reason. If djb@ doesn't want qmail to be widely deployed then thats his problem I guess. :) -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/