From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 12 20:46:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4871065677 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deischen@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.netplex.net (mail.netplex.net [204.213.176.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E638FC18 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deischen@freebsd.org) Received: from sea.ntplx.net (sea.ntplx.net [204.213.176.11]) by mail.netplex.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/NETPLEX) with ESMTP id m2CKkKfo000251; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:46:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS and Clam AntiVirus (mail.netplex.net) X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by DRAC access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (mail.netplex.net [204.213.176.10]); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:46:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Eischen X-X-Sender: eischen@sea.ntplx.net To: Remko Lodder In-Reply-To: <50356.195.64.94.120.1205351385.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> Message-ID: References: <47D82E6F.6010302@elischer.org> <50356.195.64.94.120.1205351385.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Julian Elischer , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: KSE X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Eischen List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:46:27 -0000 On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Remko Lodder wrote: > > On Wed, March 12, 2008 8:26 pm, Julian Elischer wrote: >> >> ----- >> Dan Eischen. Despite having a "real life" He did the imppossible >> and made the M:N library more reliable than the simpler 1:1 library >> for many years. >> I'm hoping that Dan doesn't take this as his queue to leave >> the project. I really do know how disheartening is is >> to have some part of your life taken out of production. >> I hope EVERYONE here takes the time to consider what a great >> job Dan has done, looking after not only libc_r but libkse, >> and taking the project from basically no threads to fully threaded. >> ----- >> Jeffr and David Xu (and David Mini in the beginning): >> Took on the task of making the 1:1 library competitive. >> AND KEPT IT COMPATIBLE. >> ----- >> All the developers who allowed us to try. >> >> ----- >> >> I think at this moment I will shed a tear for a grand idea, >> but look forward to the fact that we can concentrate on getting >> every last cycle of every processor, and I am pretty sure >> that despite what would appear to have been "wasted time" to some, >> It was not and we have learned a hell of a lot. FreeBSD has >> not been held up by this as we had the forethought to plan >> ahead. The changed landscape has meant that though I think >> there were some cases where M:N was needed, these cases are getting >> fewer and fewer and FreeBSD is better served by going the 1:1 path >> and concentrating on our strengths. >> >> The next challenges are going to be massive. >> We need to cope with systems with 256 processors >> with non uniform memory ranges. >> with non uniform inter process interconnects. >> and maybe even with non uniform processors. >> >> Lets get cracking! and I Dan, I hope you feel that you will be >> welcome, and appreciated by FreeBSD in general as we head off down the >> track.. >> >> Julian >> > > Well, I for one :-) would like to thank you, David and Daniel for the > tremendous work all that period of time, a lot of people learned from it, > build upon it and so on. Any rumors of my/our (& David) demise are greatly exagerrated ;-) -- DE