From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 20 08:52:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F5C16A41F for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:52:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cell.sick.ru (cell.sick.ru [217.72.144.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4843643D46 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:52:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cell.sick.ru (glebius@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cell.sick.ru (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0K8qQjR021791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:52:27 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from glebius@localhost) by cell.sick.ru (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id k0K8qQ3K021790; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:52:26 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cell.sick.ru: glebius set sender to glebius@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:52:26 +0300 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20060120085226.GQ83922@FreeBSD.org> References: <43D05151.5070409@elischer.org> <20060120030105.GA5286@xor.obsecurity.org> <43D0715A.7020302@elischer.org> <20060120061955.GA8687@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060120061955.GA8687@xor.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Cc: Julian Elischer , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kernel thread as real threads.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:52:55 -0000 On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 01:19:55AM -0500, Kris Kennaway wrote: K> > the example I showed was the 'ps' from ddb which of course doesn't show K> > any stats anyhow. K> K> Yeah, I know that, but they're also not displayed in ps(1) or top(1), K> etc. And this is a serious issue, that is present in our last releases. If a was a newbie installing FreeBSD for first time, this fact will hurt my impression about operating system most. -- Totus tuus, Glebius. GLEBIUS-RIPN GLEB-RIPE