From owner-freebsd-arch Fri Jul 12 10:55:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF4B37B400 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herbelot.dyndns.org (d108.dhcp212-198-26.noos.fr [212.198.26.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B25B43E5E for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:55:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thierry@herbelot.com) Received: from herbelot.com (tulipe.herbelot.nom [192.168.2.5]) by herbelot.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23397; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:54:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from thierry@herbelot.com) Message-ID: <3D2F17E5.5ED27749@herbelot.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:54:45 +0200 From: Thierry Herbelot X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wes Peters Cc: arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Listening to users [was Re: Package system wishlist] References: <3D2BE142.E25CA9BC@mindspring.com> <3D2CAAC1.5CF66C96@herbelot.com> <3D2E8A43.AF04381@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters wrote: > > Thierry Herbelot wrote: > > > > [Snip the long arguments over which new format for the packages] > > > > there is a interesting post by an ex-user of desktop Linux, which can > > help when designing the new package system (it will have to be used by > > mere mortals, not only by the elite posting on -arch) > > > > > > (shamelessly cut&pasted from /.) > > > > we still have a long way to go before even computer-aware people (that > > is, even people formely developping on SGI or Sun machines) can feel at > > ease installing and using FreeBSD. ^^^^^^^^^^ > > Really? Believe it or not, I've formerly (and currently) developed on > SGI and Sun machines, along with IBM, HP, DEC, Motorola, Intel, NCR, > Unisys, Sequent, CCI, Arete/Arix, and even Radio Shack UNIX-ish > machines, and I strongly prefer FreeBSD to any of them. I was not clear enough : I too wouldn't any day exchange FreeBSD for any commercial Unix version (FreeBSD is really a hacker's delight : everything is accessible, and there are people to explain its mysteries !) FreeBSD is also a "place" where ordinary people learn quite a lot of what is generally hidden elsewhere. What I was stressing is that people coming from the world of "packaged" "easy-to-install" operating systems (even Solaris holds your hand for the installation, and the limited hardware scope allows a full driver coverage, for sure) are a bit afraid when (e.g.) presented with 3 choices for the XFree config, with the first two are buggy. TfH To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message