From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 2 15:02:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22225 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:02:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22203 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:02:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA11608; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:25:48 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA20723; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:25:43 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981103092542.X354@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:25:42 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The halloween document again. References: <23816.910008018@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <23816.910008018@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Mon, Nov 02, 1998 at 04:00:18AM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 2 November 1998 at 4:00:18 -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > There's another explanation here, and one which I now find most > plausible now that I think about it. There really was a group at > Microsoft who was tasked with coming up with such a paper, but rather > than put in any serious time with it they procrastinated until the > last moment and then realized that they needed to generate a position > paper on OSS in a real hurry. Since they were then rather too pressed > for time to actually install or evaluate any of the offerings > (probably also rightly concluding that the suits reading the report > wouldn't particularly care about such details anyway), they just > prowled around 4 or 5 of the top Linux sites and Eric Raymond's > www.opensource.com and put together a pastiche' of all the advocacy > they saw there. They probably read a few Linux newsgroups as well, > those being the obvious targets with their multi-thousand message > counters, and culled some of the "OSS arguments" they saw there. > > Tada! Result: One paper full of regurgitated Linux advocacy done with > all the subtlety of a elementary school student copying a book report > out of the encyclopedia at midnight. It's just a theory, but it seems > to fit. I think you're almost right. The only difference I have is that you apparently think they could have done better if they had had more time. I don't. Recall that they're on the outside looking in, and they have a number of cultural problems understanding what's going on here (heck, we have trouble understanding where it's all going. It must blow Microsoft people's minds). My question is: where did esr get the document from? Is it legal? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message