From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 16 19:21:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227E1330C80 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:21:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2d.google.com (mail-io1-xd2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49mdNw5Fkgz4YwV for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:21:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2d.google.com with SMTP id i25so3013384iog.0 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 12:21:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Yo0SsgW5M/H33kpCpR17Z7gLunjLF4EaBFwljguo2Sk=; b=DuYcNVRRGX5dF/qYhyhLnrj5n8W/65qQ2LQCerKElwi6gVTR7a1UvtAE0F03nGrDGt F/z/8w0Lca4FMSUq0/2Pqff7pMIRC4T9SiCTo1Q73f2teleqIjOWTfhB2aN02BPcNa5a OA2cbTn2dCCZgYYHcpkpbsw69aiUnKXs8jbK5hds9RD4tqZiD71GY8f14uFPLOZHOB2u EKywEeYyhTJNNSEK3a0teoykK7OUTemfphtCcpF0ygOUKaaOGr6j2BlQwlXJkVldgLYT ZPUPpU8Zz9Jsnj05dX/oxwSwias3qNZe2ZCoC+sxqazg441GF06Ojkw8sUWflBUn4n9c DfYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Yo0SsgW5M/H33kpCpR17Z7gLunjLF4EaBFwljguo2Sk=; b=bV0nX9uGECkqK/WsL1mAZjOX+s797x1HvzLpauZHSy0zNviEPjwnNX3yHP6XXxG+5h U8stCtTvlVB7AfO/Atd71ICaNvUey8oevPJBIGvaTC1yRB4dZP1t9r81/ZPpWBIWEqJa Z2qp9v8iCfPCkgIQv0vtg5/TaVWaRPgfaH7Do/GA+sXrfQGByrFir3jVnZqIrw5LjjeK ydSEvyEeOW0N2VAnzc208t+V3xUs0UE7Hd2Nh8Uhvc1fYnAqASPHJ7NB6lI9SRX5HHRf q+k5oKLFaqyqEKTz43MOIEdUCWEIqb2va7vyO2G3SPdPeHZcQPTp46/B+xL3AlDsRe8g CBEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530F4x9brwanj6UqqVVZTHeg4AeLcF9uOzSATq8s/14zUwN1Y91s MIJZWtVLJ8xuZ6EKdbcHmLXfwkxGhdGGWUdDbjE7/Z6W X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwzhKGFxKcbio8EcmzECARKZPs+YhbxYFWdV20VtmqOtZ5rqWg5rAnegrtahE8inUZJSfEpr17w8nrVpBGu0e0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:1243:: with SMTP id o3mr4184418iou.89.1592335311242; Tue, 16 Jun 2020 12:21:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200613154409.GA89618@neutralgood.org> <20200616142043.7d599458.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616144141.6203d978e9bd43418b17dcbc@sohara.org> <20200616170906.9c0bb6c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616175118.2d536f55.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200616123659.000025a6@seibercom.net> <20200616130710.00002909@seibercom.net> <20200616151200.0000663a@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20200616151200.0000663a@seibercom.net> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 15:21:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette was freebsd vs. netbsd To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49mdNw5Fkgz4YwV X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:21:53 -0000 On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:12 PM Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:14:51 -0400, Aryeh Friedman commented: > >On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 1:07 PM Jerry wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 12:44:12 -0400, Aryeh Friedman commented: > >> >On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:37 PM Jerry wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:51:18 +0200, Polytropon commented: > >> >> >And instead of employing good programmers, they employ designers > >> >> >so at least the ad-filled emails look good, even if it doesn't > >> >> >help anyone. :-) > >> >> > >> >> You obviously know very little about the retail market. In sales, > >> >> perceived quality is often in a direct relationship to the outward > >> >> appearance of an item. > >> >> > >> > > >> >FreeBSD is not a retail OS!.... in short for many reasons f**k > >> >retail computing... like I said dead users don't give a flying f > >> >how good something looks if it kills them! (Just ask anyone who > >> >started smoking because of how sexy the ad models were before > >> >tobacco ads were outlawed.).... in sort FreeBSD is a mission > >> >critical OS meant for professional use (if you use for desktop use > >> >like I do then it is purely accidental to its primary purpose). > >> > >> You reply is totally out of context to the my response to Poly. > >> Neither Poly nor I referenced FreeBSD in the post. The response was > >> directed at advertisers and the means they use to convey an idea to > >> the public. Your problem is that you are looking for problems where > >> none exist, aka "Tilting at windmills". > >> > > > >Then mark your reply as being off topic because in context it was > >clearly reference to email etiquette on FreeBSD (that is the subject > >of the thread after all). It seems you and Chris are doing > >everything possible to confuse the hell out of the entire thread and > >then one someone *appears* to reply out of context you use that as > >some kind of proof of your argument. That is just dirty tactics. > > Exactly what is the correlation between email formats and the whether or > not FreeBSD is a retail (for profit) entity? > There are a lot of people who want to make FreeBSD a OS that is usable on the desktop by normal everyday non-technical end-users (aka a "retail OS") and the very same people (or a sizable overlap at least) also are the ones who b*tch the most about how plain text email and the stuff that goes along with it is "evil" (or at least for luddites). So in the mind of the people who know FreeBSD is not (and never was meant to be) a retail OS, link the two in our minds. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org