From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Aug 14 10:44:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05309 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:44:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles215.castles.com [208.214.165.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05301 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13457; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:41:56 GMT (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199808141041.KAA13457@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brett Glass cc: Mike Smith , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64-bit time_t In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:33:25 CST." <199808141733.LAA24664@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:41:50 +0000 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > At 10:24 AM 8/14/98 +0000, Mike Smith wrote: > > >> Don't want to get into language wars here, but in case the current rash > >> of security problems doesn't make it painfully obvious, C isn't a good > >> tool for ANYTHING. > > > >... which is why it's been a perfectly good tool for the last couple of > >decades. Language has nothing to do with security, in case it wasn't > >already plainly obvious. Security is a design issue. > > Security is also a safety issue. Use safe tools, and you're less likely > to create security holes. "Safe" is context-sensitive. Safety is not something that can generally be implemented in a language, as it can't know in what context it will be used. C is not "unsafe", it is "not-safe", meaning that you're responsible for your own security. In this it is no less "safe" than any other language as you are a fool if you take the "safety" of any other language on trust. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message