From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 3 10:07:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8039106564A for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C408FC12 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so7221170obc.13 for ; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 03:07:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vxCqIluevaja7HBoaxsI/mtOM46ZLJu5/bAahH0BEPQ=; b=fpvm6KWQixqd9IH+BCpWKX3xIJfT8su/ORtcuTaZksEY9B46ehih2bwXEYCVijxiFX C/R2g1l1wUVL8oJz4p0CDJI9KMGEsZ8tUuaj1AYnxOGnXjaV30iBakSKlcu+pe3IgIop u+//U7U2TW57C9wR+fbUKkMBDf88qjFBE6qiakEyczEf4xZc+2fHZ15zp5eoAlDDwt5Y aBrrNTeqlepQcVVVpEl+hmFLBwaIMvVSGlpalHIalOhCz+jHY5oKp3daPqUb63imf36w TS5K2jOLv+zfeKp5Nko0RfPN42aRAjUaYjRGEV5eUQswuKp5T2K2Fxp8lgLWoK/6UuCg D95A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.18.137 with SMTP id w9mr8426733obd.75.1338718062609; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 03:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.53.1 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 03:07:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2683532.ZXZgRCPEVi@x220.ovitrap.com> References: <95D35900-AC63-4948-B54F-40041FFCB232@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <20120602195022.GG5335@home.opsec.eu> <2683532.ZXZgRCPEVi@x220.ovitrap.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 03:07:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Erich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Kurt Jaeger , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:07:43 -0000 On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Erich wrote: > Hi, > > On 02 June 2012 PM 9:50:22 Kurt Jaeger wrote: > > Hi! > > > > > The point he made was actually not a matter of people not reading > > > UPDATING but that UPDATING is oftentimes not updated until after > > > the disruptive/potentially dangerous change has already hit the > > > ports tree. > > > > > > I'm not sure what the solution is for the end user. > > > > We have our reference hosts, do daily portupgrades and on those days > > where all looks fine, pkg_create the whole collection and > pkg_delete/pkg_add > > to production hosts. > > > > Still not perfect, but 'good enough'. > > > > > isn't this what I just suggested to be done by the team? Give the ports > tree a new version number and people can fall back to this then. > > Isn't this solution too simple to be done? > > Erich > In my some previous messages in other threads I mentioned a requirement to have a list of files prepared in context of ports and also for base system . When a part is broken even in a very simple part , neither "make" nor package managers are able to repair it , because there is no a list of files to check what is present and what is missing . This problem is solved by Kurt Jaeger and possibly by others by maintaining a reference host means to dedicate a computer for this task which is not necessary if such lists are prepared during development of base and ports . For each person , to use such a reference host is not a possibility . In last weeks , during my FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 Release installation , I have scratched my installation due to a wrongly set parameter . I could not understand what is become corrupted , neither "make" could correct it nor port master or port upgrade or package add . Only it has been cured by installing another operating system onto it . From that point of view , FreeBSD is really a very fragile system . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk