From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 3 22:19:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1517C10656D6; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:19:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antoinebrunel@yahoo.fr) Received: from smtp4.tech.numericable.fr (smtp4.tech.numericable.fr [82.216.111.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AC98FC16; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 22:19:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antoinebrunel@yahoo.fr) Received: from brunel.pagan.fr (cable-83.217.146.118.coditel.net [83.217.146.118]) by smtp4.tech.numericable.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF2212A813; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 00:19:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <486D5089.6000900@yahoo.fr> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:19:53 +0200 From: Antoine BRUNEL User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080609) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Oberman References: <20080703215537.6F3114504E@ptavv.es.net> In-Reply-To: <20080703215537.6F3114504E@ptavv.es.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Mike Meyer , Rob Lytle , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years / sorry I started flame war X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:19:56 -0000 Hi all I suggest this "flame" to stop right now... because everybody is ok finally.... I agree with Rob in the fact that 'sysinstall' is a bit disturbing tool with its way of working: the "enter" key, the error messages if HTTP source is unavailable, etc.... and I confess I had to re-install my laptop 3 or 4 times before getting what I wanted from sysinstall. Maybe this tool should be upgraded, but I think it should not follow the way other installerd did.... somebody spokes about the Oracle installer... It was a real hell for you: how to install an Oracle database onto an HP 7 inch terminal, without X and/or Java installed ?? I hope FreeBSD will never get way, like Windows or Linux.... How about to give a try at the actual Debian ncurse installer ??? still in text based environment, but very powerful .... Kevin Oberman a écrit : >> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:28:50 -0700 >> From: "Rob Lytle" >> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm sorry I started a kind of flame war. All I wanted was two things: 1. >> CD's that installed without being switched in and out dozens of times. That >> was fixed by the suggestion of using a DVD. I didn't even know the DVD >> install existed, but will do that next time. >> > > You call this a flame war? It's been pretty civil and there are no scorch > marks on my display. > > I agree that the disk swapping is not a good thing, but I simply avoid > it by never installing packages from sysinstall. I only use sysinstall > for FreeBSD. > > Once I have FreeBSD installed, I update my ports tree with csup (but > portsnap is probably a better way) and install ruby and > portupgrade. Then I simply install the ports/packages I want using > 'portinstall -P'. This assures that I have the latest ports and not > something stale. I can speed the process by copying all of the packages > from CD to my system (/usr/ports/packages/All). That way, only ports > that have been updated since the release will be downloaded and I only > have to change CDs a couple of times. > > > >> 2. Being able to use Sysinstall and not having it crash when a dependency >> is already present. Sometimes I like to use Sysinstall to install gigantic >> packages where the compile time is 26 hours, e.g KDE metapackage, and my >> notebook uses an Intel Core 2 Duo at 2Ghz or thereabout. That is one hell >> of a long compile time. For this request I will just have to wait for >> FreeBSD 10.0. >> > > I have not seen this, but I don't sue sysinstall to install > packages/ports. >