From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jan 10 19:49:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA24618 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:49:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA24613 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:49:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA14912; Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:49:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:49:36 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Fred Gilham cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A cool xterm? In-Reply-To: <199701101606.IAA03133@impulse.csl.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Fred Gilham wrote: > I'm wondering what this means. Is it that people don't like the fact > that the scrollbar works the way it does? Or is it that they don't > like the way it looks? What exactly is wrong with the scrollbar? Its ugly, but it does give you a reasonably accurate representation of the view and the total size of the scrollable area. Unfortunately, everything else about it is a complete user interface disaster. It starts off with a *complete* disconnect between manipulation affordances and actual manipulation methods and goes downhill from there. The fact that to this day, people re-implement the same behavior in new products completely baffles me. I've been using the things for years and I still fumble and curse when I have to use them. -john