From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 19:03:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3617A1065670 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:03:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4A48FC14 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so33902yxe.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:03:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=6lVVUX6IrXJONhpLzl3IEJBLJbqkbGZ/hWvYB6Krvjk=; b=XOUY+ouS92fEgZwlrEu1ZPk9ccJUsxpbpt7+sI6PJNg7MEhopVX+FTUVUshDa99rMp Le+uxlSmwy/GyH6Utpmr6TMhx47lfBUMOo8DAUKFPU/4scalRu/86uaLMGUT3FFwJvea HxRmoeSb6yzBoD9NhWtw3gBxHEtFSXJ10qBfo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=kD0EkcZvZlEtYU5AhpEInOb4v1jouIdAOaYLfT6xZM0Lg+CSHqb8cZJf25qOyoukwo DWzRJk67YggtUy2n2aYHApi4B418VarqkUNuudJNc1bTvKlbZyo/KYnHbyyRTblyIVdq cGLQV0NNb4Epo7aoXZgrze8a3QfDWGUf5REFU= Received: by 10.90.180.16 with SMTP id c16mr916996agf.15.1256670197409; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm90054ywe.11.2009.10.27.12.03.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:03:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:03:12 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <4AE73CCD.6050304@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4AE73CCD.6050304@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:03:19 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:32:45 pm Erik Norgaard wrote: > Jonathan McKeown wrote: > > Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out of > > the base system, which MTA would you like to replace it with? Or > > are you suggesting the system ship with no way to handle mail? > > This thread moving of topic from OP, but it is always fair to debate > what should be considered a base system. Is an MTA a requirement or a > remnant from history? Dear Erik: Contrary to your belief the thread isn't moving of topic from OP, it's just taking the same default route it has been taking for ages: 1) telling the OP the OS needs an MTA 2) telling the OP he can replace the default MTA 3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base 4) telling the OP about "historical reason" 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical reason behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the default MTA "for historical reasons". Sorry .. but that's the way it goes every time someone asks the same question. > And if an MTA is a requirement then asking which one is the best > choice is also a fair question. An equally fair answer could be > whichever change requires the least work. Indeed > No different than asking, why is NIS still in the base? Why no ldap? > why BIND, but no http? Why NFS? etc... Let me save you the trouble; the answer to mot of that questions will be: historical reasons and that other solutions can "can only dream of enjoying a fraction of the respect that BIND and Sendmail command in the industry" Believe it or not ... > I think the only void answer is because of tradition, that just seems > to show that noone really remembers why some choice was made. > > BR, Erik Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi