From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Apr 18 11:56:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCB42C643A for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mithril.localdomain (dontpanic.foucry.net [80.67.176.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494BJX1lb0z45WJ for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:56:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mithril.foucry.net (mithril.foucry.net [127.0.0.1]) by mithril.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF9618216 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 13:56:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 13:56:37 +0200 From: Jacques Foucry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel architecture Message-ID: <20200418115637.GA62339@mithril.foucry.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3f1496d1f598c84b3871b630f161256e152aca75.camel@tom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 494BJX1lb0z45WJ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=foucry.net (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[foucry.net : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[mithril.localdomain]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[mithril.localdomain]; IP_SCORE(-0.90)[ipnet: 80.67.160.0/19(-2.53), asn: 20766(-1.99), country: FR(0.00)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20766, ipnet:80.67.160.0/19, country:FR]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:56:45 -0000 Le vendredi 17 avr. 2020 à 18:02:58 (+0930), Shane Ambler à écrit: > On 17/4/20 4:45 pm, kindu smith wrote: > > Hello, I am a user who likes UNIX-like systems. I have some experience > > using GNU / Linux and some experience using freebsd. I like the > > architecture of UNIX-like systems, but I am not proficient, so I just > > want to mention some improvements. The idea of freebsd experience, > > what is unscientific, welcome to advise. > > > > First of all, freebsd's architecture is very good, no need to invent > > the wheel, but freebsd's installation interface and startup interface > > are too old. It is time to make some changes. I think the freebsd with > > Have a look at trueos.org it adds a GUI installer to freebsd. > Expect the base freebsd to stick with a CLI installer to support the > non-gui server installs. Or GhostBSD which have all those « funny » things. A gui installer, a gui pacќega manager, use networkManager, etc. Pretty good for a desktop. Be carefull it's run on STABLE. This NOT an OS for *BSD sysadmin which will tune the OS, but to start using BSD like Linux, it's a good way. > > > microkernel will be more stable. The / boot / kernel directory is very > > suitable for writing a small kernel, such as named core, and then > > I don't expect you will get much support for this change. > > Have a look at minix3.org, a few years back they got minix running as > the microkernel and use netbsd as the userland. > > > In addition, you need to redesign the installation interface and a > > complete desktop environment, because this is very important for > > novices. I don't think Gnome / kde / xfce or the like is used anymore. > > Those three main GUI desktops are in use by many people. If you want to > try something else have a look at x11/lumina, which is the new desktop > made for trueOS > > > It is designed for Linux, and the systemd it uses is not supported by > > Freebsd. > > > > Freebsd should design a gorgeous interface comparable to macos, in > > Don't expect freebsd to remove the CLI to replace it with a GUI. It is > still used as a non-gui server by many people. > > > > -- > FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing > > Shane Ambler > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ---end quoted text--- -- Jacques Foucry