Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:07:56 -0500 From: "Person, Roderick" <personrp@ccbh.com> To: 'Kris Kennaway' <kris@obsecurity.org> Cc: "'advocacy@freebsd.org'" <advocacy@freebsd.org> Subject: RE: [burnscharlesn@hotmail.com: Advocacy help for CS professor] Message-ID: <46AEB8C1B628D511969200508B6FE42A088D8A64@1upmc-msx6.isdip.upmc.edu>
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This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D1BB.BAF59230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > - Microsoft has money, therefore can buy the best > programmers, therefore has > the best products. I hate to say it but in general, I think your professor arguments are more geared toward 'The Business Aspect' of microsoft than the 'technical' side of things. This assumes that every programmer in the world focus is money. Not everyone has a price that will make them work for an 'entity' that the disagree with. Also, what is the definition of 'best' here? I would think the 'best' in the case of any company is the best fit for the company. The programmer that is going to bend to you paradigm, otherwise you have a disgruntled employee that can do more harm than good. > - Microsoft is very successful, therefore has the best > products (though he is not using the popularity alone as an argument as he does > have extensive knowledge of logic) This too is a business argument. Hell there are more Garbage men than Presidents so Garbage man must be a better job!? Most people who use Microsoft Win-whatever did not even buy it, came with the computer so that's what you got. That what they use it easier to stick. In the business world you got a herd mentallity -every ones doing it so why don't we. Even though there are programs that can output documents in MS format people want to follow the heard. > - OSS programmers could not possibly be as good as Microsoft > programmers, because Microsoft sponsors such things as nat'l programming > competitions and hires the winners/hires the best of class from top > universities, etc. I don't know anything about MS programming contest. So I can't speak to that. But I think you should try and find out about code MS is using that came from Open Source projects like the FreeBSD TCP stacks they use. > - He is using examples of MS products being superior to other Windows > products, examples in which he is right. Netscape 4.7* vs. IE4--No > comparison. MS Office vs everything else--for it's intended > audience, it really is the best. Media player, etc. He quoted Outlook > Express, but being in the field he uses Eudora because of OE's jaw-dropping > security record. I already made the Evolution comparison, but I really need more > examples in which an OSS Unux product is superior. Again what is the definition of better or best for applications. Netscape vs IE what makes one better than the other Speed, Reliablity , customization? MS Office, it's really is the best? Why? There are things I can do in Star Office that I can't do in MS Office there are things in WordPerfect that can't be done in MS Office. So whay is it superior - because more people use it? > - He says Unix is fragmented, therefore cannot have a unified > vision and focus, and that this automatically makes it inferior to > Windows which is under one company with theoretically one vision and focus.(to > own everything > :-) UNIX is no more fragmented than, OS/2 and Windows are fragmented. He is thinking of all the 'unix based' companies as a whole instead of each company as an entity of itself. I hope you have luck with your professor and when your done I'd like to hear how it went and what you wrote. Rod... Roderick P. Person Programmer II personrp@ccbh.com "People that spend a large amount of time with me, tend to find me disagreeable." ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D1BB.BAF59230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2654.45"> <TITLE>RE: [burnscharlesn@hotmail.com: Advocacy help for CS = professor]</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> - Microsoft has money, therefore can buy the = best </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> programmers, therefore has </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> the best products.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I hate to say it but in general, I think your = professor arguments are more geared toward 'The Business Aspect' of = microsoft than the 'technical' side of things. This assumes that every = programmer in the world focus is money. Not everyone has a price that = will make them work for an 'entity' that the disagree with. Also, what = is the definition of 'best' here? I would think the 'best' in the case = of any company is the best fit for the company. The programmer that is = going to bend to you paradigm, otherwise you have a disgruntled = employee that can do more harm than good.</FONT></P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> - Microsoft is very successful, therefore has = the best </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> products (though he is not using the popularity = alone as an argument as he does </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> have extensive knowledge of logic)</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>This too is a business argument. Hell there are more = Garbage men than Presidents so Garbage man must be a better job!? Most = people who use Microsoft Win-whatever did not even buy it, came with = the computer so that's what you got. That what they use it easier to = stick. In the business world you got a herd mentallity -every ones = doing it so why don't we. Even though there are programs that can = output documents in MS format people want to follow the = heard.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> - OSS programmers could not possibly be as good = as Microsoft </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> programmers, because Microsoft sponsors such = things as nat'l programming </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> competitions and hires the winners/hires the = best of class from top </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> universities, etc. </FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I don't know anything about MS programming contest. = So I can't speak to that. But I think you should try and find out about = code MS is using that came from Open Source projects like the FreeBSD = TCP stacks they use.</FONT></P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> - He is using examples of MS products being = superior to other Windows </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> products, examples in which he is right. = Netscape 4.7* vs. IE4--No </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> comparison. MS Office vs everything else--for = it's intended </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> audience, it really is the best. Media player, = etc. He quoted Outlook </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Express, but being in the field he uses Eudora = because of OE's jaw-dropping </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> security record. I already made the Evolution = comparison, but I really need more </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> examples in which an OSS Unux product is = superior.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Again what is the definition of better or best for = applications. Netscape vs IE what makes one better than the other = Speed, Reliablity , customization? MS Office, it's really is the best? = Why? There are things I can do in Star Office that I can't do in MS = Office there are things in WordPerfect that can't be done in MS Office. = So whay is it superior - because more people use it? </FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> - He says Unix is fragmented, therefore cannot = have a unified </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> vision and focus, and that this automatically = makes it inferior to </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Windows which is under one company with = theoretically one vision and focus.(to </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> own everything > :-)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>UNIX is no more fragmented than, OS/2 and Windows = are fragmented. He is thinking of all the 'unix based' companies as a = whole instead of each company as an entity of itself.</FONT></P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I hope you have luck with your professor and = when your done I'd like to hear how it went and what you wrote.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> </FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Rod...</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Roderick P. Person</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Programmer II</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>personrp@ccbh.com</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>"People that spend a large amount of time with = me, tend to find me disagreeable."</FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D1BB.BAF59230-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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