From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 09:00:34 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343C3AA5312 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 09:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@toco-domains.de) Received: from toco-domains.de (mail.toco-domains.de [176.9.39.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0E90E3A; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 09:00:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglists@toco-domains.de) Received: from [0.0.0.0] (mail.toco-domains.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:150:50a5::6]) by toco-domains.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D38E91B22067; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:00:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Removing documentation To: Royce Williams , John Marino References: <56B754A8.3030605@marino.st> <56BCE01D.4010701@FreeBSD.org> <56BCE218.40403@marino.st> <56BCEC5F.4020007@marino.st> <56BD2A1E.1020706@marino.st> Cc: Kevin Oberman , lev@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Mailing List From: Torsten Zuehlsdorff Message-ID: <56BD9F2E.6080405@toco-domains.de> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:00:30 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 09:00:34 -0000 On 12.02.2016 07:21, Royce Williams wrote: >>> I'm advocating that we stop quasi-providing four different flavors of >>> apt-get. Until there is a single and official mechanism for both >>> dependency resolution and configuration option management, the >>> fragmentation remains. >> >> Why do you think this is the case? Ports defines the dependencies and >> pkg respects them. I'm not seeing where there more than one method >> here. What other ones are there? > > > The current ports/pkg relationship is still fragile, perhaps because > it's new. I almost abandoned FreeBSD entirely a couple of months ago > when an interesting corner case of the use of pkg managed to > unilaterally and without warning delete in its entirety the contents > of /usr/local/etc/rc.d in of my jails. > > Contrast this with the Ubuntu world, where there is a well-baked > "unattended-upgrades" option that automatically downloads and upgrades > all security updates for both the OS and all third-party packages. These are not well-baked, i did find multiple problems with them. Also this is *not* something you really want. If security really is important you do not install software without your explicit approval. There are to many things which can go wrong and normally do. These complains are often in the Ubuntu world. The Ubuntu world is not so bright as you say. ;) Greetings, Torsten