Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 09:47:55 +0700 From: Erich <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: Chris Rees <crees@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, "O. Hartmann" <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de>, Adam Strohl <adams-freebsd@ateamsystems.com> Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? Message-ID: <1805884.WJzBQIFnSm@x220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20120605144247.6C1C121489D2@drugs.dv.isc.org> References: <C480320C-0CD9-4B61-8AFB-37085C820AB7@FreeBSD.org> <1541214.ZfRdXxb0Qe@x220.ovitrap.com> <20120605144247.6C1C121489D2@drugs.dv.isc.org>
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Hi, On 06 June 2012 0:42:47 Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message <1541214.ZfRdXxb0Qe@x220.ovitrap.com>, Erich writes: > > Hi, > > > > On 05 June 2012 1:09:50 Mark Linimon wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 01:00:45PM +0700, Erich wrote: > > > > All of these, with the exception of HEAD (which is always a valid tag), > > > > only apply to the src/ tree. The ports/, doc/, and www/ trees are not > > > > branched. > > > > > > If you create a branch, you must create a tag for that branch. > > > > > > However, you can create a tag without creating a branch. That is what > > > is done for the ports tree. > > > > > I found now the location where this information is missing for beginners. > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html > > > > I simply cannot believe that beginners would expect this information to find > > this in the section for updating the kernel. > > > > Erich > > Because, while you believe it is better to roll back to the release > point it really isn't. The ports tree is rarely broken for long. > When it is broken people will tell you to roll back to a good date > and give you the date to use. I've had to roll back a couple of > times in 11+ years of updating and never to a release point. > > What is there is good advice. Use a up-to-date ports tree. If it > is broken wait a days or so and try again. If it is still broken > report the problem using send-pr. > you will find thousands of notes that people should not run bleeding edge when it comes to the kernel. But people are forced to run bleeding edge on the ports. The documentation than even states that there is no fall back. You state it as being just normal to wait for a week or more until the problem is solved. I cannot imagine that people who come to FreeBSD and get trapped somehow will stick to it then. They might will ask on this list just to learn that there is no help available. Just wait. People who have to make decisions what operating system should be used on their workplaces will not like this and stick with whatever they have. I believe that this is a very good user repellent. Erich
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