Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:47:32 +0200 From: Timo Schoeler <timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> To: jadacuma@ched.gov.ph Cc: Marco Peereboom <slash@peereboom.us>, miros-discuss@mirbsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD Message-ID: <44FE7D14.4060909@riscworks.net> In-Reply-To: <64617.61.9.41.179.1157518242.squirrel@co-mail.ched.gov.ph> References: <20060831110112.J82634@hub.org> <f34ca13c0608310843p4e28b57eoec2f60737c034ddb@mail.gmail.com> <20060831184715.B82634@hub.org> <44F7619B.8010609@evilkittens.org> <20060831192632.T82634@hub.org> <20060831225719.GG25515@ribeyre.gentiane.org> <20060831200228.B82634@hub.org> <20060831230642.GH25515@ribeyre.gentiane.org> <20060831201338.F82634@hub.org> <20060905070219.GC13764@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org> <20060905141802.GB5021@peereboom.us> <64617.61.9.41.179.1157518242.squirrel@co-mail.ched.gov.ph>
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thus Joseph A. Dacuma spake: >>> I don't think that binary only drivers are well enough. >>> Surely better than nothing but ... >> No fucking way. No support is FAR FAR better than a blob. Yes, really! >> >>> Don't forget that an open source team sometimes makes api changes >>> that might break a "binary only" driver. And companies sometimes >>> are slow in fixing. >> A.K.A. Never. And when they try it usually doesn't work right. Worst of >> all >> *you* have no clue how they kludged a so called fix together. Vendor code >> is >> usually pretty darn bad and I wonder why people never revolt against that. >> >>> Or the vendor did some mistakes in his own driver. >>> First the paying customers are served. All the other folks >>> (open source ..) surely will come last. >> Open source users paid for the hardware didn't they? Or because they use >> an >> alternative OS now they stole the hardware? This argument is retarded. >> >>> For some smaller corps supporting open source developers is >>> simply a burden that costs time and so money. >> Docs are part of the development process. If they are not than you don't >> want >> that hardware. >> >>> I know this from a medium sized german company producing nice >>> audio recording cards. >>> >>> It was impossible to get a card and documentation from them for >>> a FreeBSD developers. And after weeks and months of asking via >>> e-mail they decided finally to tell the truth that they don't >>> want to support open source developers anymore, it makes too much >>> work. They are unable to spend so much time answering open source >>> developers questions although they got documentation. This experience >>> they made with Linux developers. >> I call horseshit on this one too. Vendors do not have to support shit if >> they >> free their docs. NOTHING because the OS developers will do it for FREE >> for >> them. This argument is a steaming pile of shit with peanuts in it. >> >> It is this attitude that is killing Linux and FreeBSD. They will allow >> anyone >> to shit and piss in their sandbox and say "GREAT THANKS!" >> >> You people need to get through your heads that blobs are killing your >> operating >> system that you pretend to care so much about. Allowing blobs is the >> equivalent of eating fast food; it is convenient now but 10 years from now >> your >> ass wont fit through the door. >> >> A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights. >> -- Napoleon Bonaparte >> >>> Andreas /// >>> >>> -- >>> Andreas Klemm - Powered by FreeBSD 6 >>> Need a magic printfilter today ? -> http://www.apsfilter.org/ >>> > > Hi All! > > I agree totally with Mr. Peereboom. IMHO, BLOBS are not sustainable in the > long run. If a manufacturer decides to retire a particular model (driver > support included) while OS keeps on releasing newer versions (which > include changes in the design and/or how things are implemented) one will > be facing two scenarios: stasis or an unstable system. Both I believe is > distasteful. definitely. but on the other hand there's 15 minutes of fame if you support a device (using a blob) today -- as others won't support it. > I'd rather purchase hardware that will enable me to (ab)use it until it no > longer works (MBTF deadend) using either NetBSD or OpenBSD :). true, but NetBSD allows blobs. > Joseph A. Dacuma timo
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