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Date:      Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:27:00 -0000
From:      **1st Vamp** <wes@pmason.karoo.co.uk>
To:        security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Antisniffer measures (digest of posts)
Message-ID:  <E14FIf6-0007P2-00@smtpout.kingston-internet.net>

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True, very valid points, that's what I get for replying to mailing lists
when I'm barely awake from a long night of revision.

- Vamp


: On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, **1st Vamp** wrote:

:>      To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>
:>    Date: 07/01/2001, 12:45:09
:> Subject: Re: Antisniffer measures (digest of posts)
:>
:> Technically any SSL enabled telnet client wouldn't be that different from
:> using a normal telnet client through an SSL tunnel, such as stunnel,
:> although some bugs have been found in recent ports, and this is
:> technically
:> no more secure than plain old SSH.

: I'm not sure I follow your argument -- if the SSL telnet properly
: evaluates X.509 certificates, and has preconfigured, trusted roots, then
: an SSL telnet does offer something that SSH does not have: the ability to
: connect to a new host without a manual keying procedure.  Given that the
: weakness currently widely touted as existing in SSH is really a failure to
: provide an automatic keying procedure (and users not knowing how to deal
: with that), it seems to be the case that in that regard, it really *is*
: more secure than plain old SSH.  Now, at least some of the SSL clients out
: there actually don't do this: for example, last time I looked at pine-SSL
: (a while ago), it performed no certificate checking, meaning it was quite
: subject to a man-in-the-middle attack, and unlike most versions of SSH,
: would not display any warning indicating the potential for one. However, a
: properly written and configured SSL client should not do this.

: Robert N M Watson             FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project
: robert@fledge.watson.org      NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services






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