From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 23 08:46:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D007316A4CE for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19A843FDF for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 08:46:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akruijff@www.kruijff.org) Received: from kruij557.speed.planet.nl (ipd50a97ba.speed.planet.nl [213.10.151.186]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HOT00ECED8NGI@smtp01.wxs.nl> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:45:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from Alex.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kruij557.speed.planet.nl (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hANGjxLU001137; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:45:59 +0100 (CET envelope-from akruijff@Alex.lan) Received: (from akruijff@localhost) by Alex.lan (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hANGjx1X001136; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:45:59 +0100 (CET envelope-from akruijff) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:45:59 +0100 From: Alex de Kruijff In-reply-to: <20031101205412.GA15226@bishop.my.domain> To: Greg Pavelcak , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <20031123164558.GB557@dds.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i References: <3FA301F6.2010208@potentialtech.com> <20031101175942.GA2082@online.fr> <20031101205412.GA15226@bishop.my.domain> Subject: Re: How do hackers drive? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:46:01 -0000 On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 03:54:12PM -0500, Greg Pavelcak wrote: > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 12:59:42PM -0500, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > Bill Moran wrote: > > > I've always had a uncomfortable feeling in the pit of my stomach that C++ > > > and other OO languages were more complicated than they needed to be. > > > > I could never get figure out C++, the syntax was too complex for me, > > maybe I never approached it the right way. (Same problem with perl.) > > > > On the other hand, a few months ago I tried out python and it was love > > at first sight. Initially I was writing stuff in a procedural way but > > I'm beginning to grok OO ideas now and it seems to all just make sense. > > I wish there was a good compiler for it though, speed is important in a > > lot of the things I do. Subsequently, I also dabbled in lisp a bit, > > does anyone use it these days for serious new projects (as opposed to > > emacs/maxima/other ancient stuff)? > > > > Quoted on http://www.smalltalk.org : > > > > "I invented the term Object-Oriented, and I can tell you I did not have > > C++ in mind." - Alan Kay > > > > - Rahul > > I'm a non-programmer. Is it the OO languages that talk about > "methods" when it looks like they're talking about something like > functions, or is that something else? You are correct. In OO languages the function and data are one unit where as in the the traditional programma there are seperate. -- Alex Articles based on solutions that I use: http://www.kruijff.org/alex/index.php?dir=docs/FreeBSD/