From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 24 16:34:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E14D16A4D9; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:34:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from r1a.corp.servercentral.net (exchange.corp.servercentral.net [66.225.247.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FAE43D2D; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:34:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ma@dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de) Received: from mail pickup service by r1a.corp.servercentral.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:34:03 -0600 Received: from demandindustries.net ([161.58.224.124]) by r1a.corp.servercentral.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:41:40 -0600 Received: from scanner.servercentral.net (scanner.servercentral.net [66.225.196.47]) by demandindustries.net (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAOEfdPd001122 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:41:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scanner.servercentral.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2E58700B0 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:41:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from scanner.servercentral.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mb [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05504-10 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:41:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [216.136.204.119]) by scanner.servercentral.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FFF8700AB for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:41:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F1957824; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:41:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C49D16A4F8; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:40:58 +0000 (GMT) Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414AE16A4CE; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:40:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (mail.dt.e-technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.163.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EA143D4C; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:40:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ma@dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])6B7A849C84; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:40:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (krusty [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22608-05-2; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:40:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from m2a2.dyndns.org (p548546B7.dip.t-dialin.net [84.133.70.183]) A99F249B17; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:40:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F02D5769; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:40:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from merlin.emma.line.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (m2a2.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24215-07-4; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:40:37 +0100 (CET) Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 8B86FD5750; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:40:37 +0100 (CET) To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <41A4944C.6030808@freebsd.org> (Scott Long's message of "Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:01:48 -0700") References: <41A4944C.6030808@freebsd.org> From: Matthias Andree Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:40:37 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis for cervercentral.net X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2004 14:41:45.0049 (UTC) FILETIME=[B84DD490:01C4D233] cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5-STABLE softupdates issue? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:34:11 -0000 Scott Long writes: > No, this in theory should not happen. YOu could have caught it right at > the instance that it was sending a transaction out to disk, or you could > have caught an edge case that isn't understood yet. Unfortunately, ATA > drives also cannot be trusted to flush their caches when one would > expect, so this leaves open a lot of possible causes for your problem. That's why I added that question about drive cache flushing. I'll see to running with forced hw.ata.wc="0" and see if I can reproduce that problem. May be a while while before I see the problem again, these are very scarce fortunately (actually, the first SOFTDEP issue on this machine at all). OTOH, this is an IBM desktop drive in disguise, so the blatant firmware errors should be known by now. -- Matthias Andree _______________________________________________ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"