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Stacey" Cc: Philip Paeps , postmaster@freebsd.org, ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removal of ctm delta mail lists on @freebsd.org Message-ID: <20220505120618.2m7kkbaw2cl3vhi4@aniel.nours.eu> References: <3887FF04-276D-45E8-9D34-1D9A4AAA6B8B@freebsd.org> <202205051146.245BkmBf082946@fire.js.berklix.net> List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/ctm-users List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-ctm-users@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202205051146.245BkmBf082946@fire.js.berklix.net> ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1651752380; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=ZZx65fqmzUwcERUeuCG7JilGo4dx7gQ7IydnbI/IoA0=; b=CXGTYKbjNaYv/TqbCVjEn/VdAOAPBmdw2qUCD9t5s/1/ld9fJWMm7MdMzNcxXW+/wFrcyF xB/bpZxExK829g1VlTuPoJkWRAY28tFfO3it9EwgGmvFrnmAKzuukv1KqC+35Gx9LoeoxT YFZ0lAYR8E5HkhITNVAoAKMay4Y78Ca/WM4TZ3Oy+KgRhQcO5rf2oN8teY47Fzh5asOve9 FGkaYn584hIt1GxqQc2EGwZZF7LkFVFeFw8Y/nl8f2trYRUuLyN/vWQUOOqsy7QRi2R5U0 23AlKkkmq5CWURjb2/Kztubg8WSlXI3m/whUtRjaCvEuQU75QwcSt4B6o7O+zw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1651752380; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Pc+EabZuauvowA+W/F/DZra3c9QZkQSCcER7/xurCuag+9Sm/c4a9AzhMu57NTL0XPQane sb5ZzppLALakIisqiG1tm2fTIrZtCogAGOI5jZrj06pynfWJ0Sg729w9Pt6UO9ZmgJPCpX rrd0LwvJSgne6dsm5bNUIAgH9dNO9m383Haz0rD9LsqpE5+hiA56bviwHvMhU6OSlaQ7rk jHR+kpHWEoyXJIgABdUbmq5CNwqQ0i+YgQFtk9OeO4DXwwX0E+1pMM1ite1ZcoIKrji0gt 8gJ7oZNLTEkZ1jw+7cr22k6MZDpZ/lk4v3xBrmSk7RX1eypTJ1DGwbZOEUT+3A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, May 05, 2022 at 01:46:47PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi Philip > cc ctm-users@ > > Philip Paeps wrote: > > On 2022-05-05 17:53:55 (+0800), Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > Reminder to postmaster@freebsd.org No reply received > > > > Your message arrived. I've not had time to check. > > OK > > > At first glance it > > looks like those lists were never migrated from mailman to mlmmj and we > > stopped generating mailman aliases a while back. > > > > >> If you @freebsd.org have deleted some or all of those lists, please > > >> let me > > >> know & I will delete your addresses from the aliases list > > >> above, & I would also delete from http://www.berklix.org/ctm/#list > > > > I think that's fine. > > OK Deleted from web page & aliases & newaliases has been run. > You postmaster@freebsd.org will no longer receive bouncing ctm deltas. Thank you, I sent an email a while ago to developers@ stating that ctm* mailing lists has been decommissioned. I planned to decommission other ctm-* mailing lists, but I don't remember who asked me to keep ctm-users. > > > >> BTW if CTM lists dont show up on freebsd.org mailman proves nothing > > >> either way, > > >> as a long time back (way before freebsd.org started migration from > > >> mailman to whatever), > > >> the admins of mailman on freebsd.org made the ctm delta lists hidden, > > >> but they still worked. > > > > As far as we're concerned, ctm died with cvs, two revision control > > migrations ago. > > Wrong. Perhaps that mis conception was common & helped discourage > CTM. In fact CTM ran fine with SVN for years. CTM is still generating > on all streams that are bled across from git to legacy svn. > > Maybe later I or someone else will get time to revise the CTM > generator scripts for git. > > > It's a lot cheaper to reject spam directed at its > > corpse with "mailbox doesn't exist" at the gate on mx1 than to let the > > message get as far as mlmmj and reject or bounce it there. > > Well you will now only get spam directed at those lists, no real > mail fed from ctm delta gnerator scripts, so by all means pipe them > at /dev/null or whatever. > > Only exceptions: > ctm-users@ this discussion list to continue please > > ctm-announce@ > that list is useless & should be closed (if not > already) Stephen the chief ctm generator had no > password to announce to it, &/or preferred to use > ctm-users@ He has retired from ctm, I'm running the > ctm generator, I too have no password to send > announcements to ctm-announce@, so it's long been > useless. Yes that was the plan, and you confirm ctm-announce should be decommissioned. To moderate, you don't need a password anymore, but I need the name of the moderators. In the mailman setup neither you, nor Stephen were listed in the moderators, or not explicitly at least. So either I decommission ctm-announce@ or I set you both as moderators. Up to you. Best regards, Bapt