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NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.55)[-0.552]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100077a61ad.9ba87f550a43ecc90c73546549537b4a@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c100077a61ad.9ba87f550a43ecc90c73546549537b4a@email-od.com]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 16:00:52 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:33:07 -0400 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 11:26 AM Steve O'Hara-Smith > wrote: > > > On Thu, 28 May 2020 16:47:05 +0200 > > Polytropon wrote: > > > > > Historically, "programmer" meant _all_ stages of program development, > > > > Historically (in the days when COBOL was king) you had systems > > analysts who analysed business systems and decided what programs needed > > to be written, designers who designed those programs and programmers > > who wrote the code. > > > > Around the time I came into the industry it had collapsed to > > analyst/programmers who designed things and wrote the hard bits and > > programmers who wrote the rest. > > > > That model only applied in the mainframe world as far I know it was never > used in the micro/(non-IBM) mini world. It was tried - I met it being tried in the early days of CP/M business applications, along with COBOL for the Z80. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/