From nobody Thu Dec 30 17:00:15 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5DA192DC35 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 17:00:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from mailgate.Leidinger.net (bastille.leidinger.net [89.238.82.207]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (P-256) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailgate.leidinger.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4JPvfh5j97z4bcf; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 17:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (p5b165022.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.22.80.34]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (P-256) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "outgoing.leidinger.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mailgate.Leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9DB922437A; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 18:00:35 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1640883635; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=PIQk7zt8H8FtftR4pdJJeqg6x11a3Px95DYfpn1zqcw=; b=ecb7w/SbXiHqCib0ysr3IQKebJgqIkUsp6MRjetWpWsd15QHFmVlbIxhCY0qLBPDWsVPzB fsjQWOwHHu8a3U2Bm/irIzCHX+DKKInOz9gjHc4qw/Dle4DWZ959T8KcGQYJGRNKyBZ7LR p/2S3waIkbW8LTVfuoIu17JFfoDrVVhswO/8j5LhshDIYhc/RLNTZG3LSjt+bRCTsvr4Bt hR4iDp0hpcD7D13JRCkwwdpUEW6AWgF5x9brMs+azZPMIPgen0ulYMlzbF1LAfMWO9VHBn H8ev0WJMkIY1lcfVm5TjUWwH0MO1TrFLzElKXPtFYztjissyCkVxbmlBc80T9A== Received: from webmail.leidinger.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FA8A6DFA; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 18:00:17 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 18:00:15 +0100 Message-ID: <20211230180015.Horde.J1DvEtdzVDFXjaUK5bFN0Iq@webmail.leidinger.net> To: Karel Gardas Cc: Michael Schuster , Kyle Evans , Joseph Mingrone , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Call for Foundation-supported Project Ideas References: <861r36xzpe.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> <61100a28-40ae-4458-d7d5-3bc9b13ba219@gmail.com> <097e751f-468f-00e6-07ff-4a8286d3a275@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <097e751f-468f-00e6-07ff-4a8286d3a275@gmail.com> Accept-Language: de,en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4JPvfh5j97z4bcf X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Reply-To: Alexander@leidinger.net From: Alexander Leidinger via freebsd-hackers X-Original-From: Alexander Leidinger X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Quoting Karel Gardas (from Thu, 30 Dec 2021 16:24:18 +0100): > On 12/29/21 8:23 PM, Michael Schuster wrote: >> >> 1) implement/port beadm equivalent from Solaris/IlumosOS? Make >> >> freebsd-update process more reversible by using proper boot >> environments >> >> and using ZFS snapshots. >> > >> > >> > All of these have been in FreeBSD for quite a while - can't give >> you dates or specifics (port vs "builtin"), but I've been using them >> since at least 13. >> > >> >> Specifically, bectl(8)[0] has been in and mostly usable since 12.0, >> >> >> bectl behaves slightly differently from beadm, which can be >> confusing when you're used to beadm. >> I don't have the specifics handy (although I was part of an email >> thread about this), but decided to stick with beadm as it suits my >> needs better. > > Guys, I'm sorry about my oversight of this excellent feature. > Obviously this is my mistake[1] and thank you both for the remark. > I'll do my homework and look into bectl. > No, I don't need it to be beadm compatible, but just beadm idea > compatible. E.g. be able to roll-back after update. That's enough to > make me happy about it. You may want to check zfsbootcfg too. Bye, Alexander. -- http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander@Leidinger.net: PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild@FreeBSD.org : PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF