From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 19:15:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435A5106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:15:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E272C8FC1F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so44105yxe.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:15:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=2DvVhKm6VlRL2TMaBsJV2VVje25SFcQL88AbCwx6zU0=; b=vRct02uJ31JoUJXRHFQCq+/nBmyW0ZDZGqELSQ++KVBBUqEGGVg4+S0ZFcUpzZYc3a 5bR84dR1qxrACLCfZ4ZRTHt3bjnaqvqJtZVTsLEpL9Mxwfi38gyBcXPz792QxDzuyEvR iG3w6M6xVLTATbMLdgrWDyt4PISkCWzCZnAW8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=LbM0sG0JrszFAB3ZK28F2bQLQojDets1wcMXIBLk8R7NsN8rxU6kJaLsWnl+lJWyZT tifH4OtmslgxQ+EJXiwfBBoaiQXXo9Wu+otCLreDANJps1Py0HWpn1GERTVE1y1daSJj uejeAvWieOD+VKqd1OlQXEoHs37S4+JRZ2GQQ= Received: by 10.90.246.1 with SMTP id t1mr9139090agh.96.1256670928770; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm102247yxg.6.2009.10.27.12.15.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:15:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:15:24 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271715.24977.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:15:36 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:16:14 am Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner : > > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > >> On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: > >>> It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. > >>> > >>> How many people actually use it? Very few. > >>> Why isn't it moved to ports? > >> > >> What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? > > > > The configuration is opaque, to put it kindly. > > Are you talking about sendmail.m4 or sendmail.cf? Because we stopped > editing sendmail.cf by hand years ago..... I really don't think > configuring it properly is difficult. Im holding "Sendmail, 3rd edition" by O'reilly in my hands right now .. the Bat book .. I covers up to Sendmail 8.12 (massive changes took place between 8.9 and 8.12), and I'm still looking at a massive 1207 pages book that deals with a single piece of software ... In my other hand, I'm holding "Postfix, The definitive guide" by O'Reilly too ... 206 pages to get a fully functional MTA working. The Senmail book is even bigger than the Lucas book on FreeBSD ... the whole Operative System > As you kindly cut out of Jonathan's post when you replied to it, > > "Almost everyone I've ever spoken to about why they dislike sendmail > trots out a bunch of cliches based on sendmail 8.8. People, we're up > to sendmail 8.14 now. Get over it!" No .. it didn't get any easier. Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi