From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun May 21 20:42:00 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A64D776BB for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 20:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CE015D1 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 20:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7FD23D776B8; Sun, 21 May 2017 20:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0A3D776B6; Sun, 21 May 2017 20:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-3.mit.edu (dmz-mailsec-scanner-3.mit.edu [18.9.25.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6B5315CD; Sun, 21 May 2017 20:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kaduk@mit.edu) X-AuditID: 1209190e-9a1ff70000005a99-68-5921fa5e4b3a Received: from mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.36]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-3.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 97.3F.23193.E5AF1295; Sun, 21 May 2017 16:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id v4LKajwI031419; Sun, 21 May 2017 16:36:45 -0400 Received: from kduck.kaduk.org (24-107-191-124.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.191.124]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id v4LKaen7026527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 21 May 2017 16:36:43 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 15:36:40 -0500 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Baptiste Daroussin Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org, doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The future of the roff toolchain Message-ID: <20170521203640.GR39245@kduck.kaduk.org> References: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <20170521125733.bmd4tmq6iqpsbvgl@ivaldir.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprJKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nohv/SzHSoGu9nsWSGfOYLX7/ushq MeHKDyaLqR93slr8e/ubyYHVY8an+SwBjFFcNimpOZllqUX6dglcGX/232MqWMZesWPDQvYG xiusXYycHBICJhLfvn5m62Lk4hASWMwksXrdD2YIZyOjxNbzTxkhnKtMEmsn3GQDaWERUJX4 M6kDzGYTUJNYv+IaM4gtIqApsfHbXhYQm1nAT+L8jD6wuLCArsSuffOZQGxeoHXLP/wAiwsJ WEqcP32YBSIuKHFy5hOoXi2JG/9eAtVzANnSEsv/cUCEtSWWLXwN1sopYCXRf2QBO4gtKqAs 8ffwPZYJjIKzkEyahWTSLIRJs5BMWsDIsopRNiW3Sjc3MTOnODVZtzg5MS8vtUjXWC83s0Qv NaV0EyMo1Dkl+XYwTmrwPsQowMGoxMN74odipBBrYllxZe4hRkkOJiVR3lczFSKF+JLyUyoz Eosz4otKc1KLDzFKcDArifDu+wZUzpuSWFmVWpQPk5LmYFES5xXXaIwQEkhPLEnNTk0tSC2C ycpwcChJ8Gr9BGoULEpNT61Iy8wpQUgzcXCCDOcBGr4G5Bbe4oLE3OLMdIj8KUZdjjn3vr5n EmLJy89LlRLnVQAZJABSlFGaBzcHlKIksvfXvGIUB3pLmNcMpIoHmN7gJr0CWsIEtMT6mTzI kpJEhJRUA2P51oO7j3Jr+unf8eQ8fWgTg7BIREte3JyfLC+8T2xTZDrkcUFh8oongismfLiR v2BL0VL7u18ltqvte7prVkblhAfnZLdvtC2sif63etndeU6vzBau/rqMKdhgTazTj3iBfJut 39csX3pVN/LH4bPL7hmKvw3Zo6N0sGN77gE1H9W17C1XJu/cpMRSnJFoqMVcVJwIAMbtW1Is AwAA X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 20:42:00 -0000 On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 02:57:33PM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >=20 > What I want to propose now, it to render them as PDF (html?) once and pus= h them > somewhere (to be defined) as static document on our documentation website. > Please doceng@ provide me a location where to push them. >=20 > And then remove bsd.doc.mk from FreeBSD 12.0 along with the removal of gr= off. > I also want to remove most of roff related tools (the one provided by too= lchains > available in ports) for which we kept a BSD version (not really maintaine= d in > base): > namely: > - checknr > - vgrind > - colcrt >=20 > Only keeping: > - col (useful in other places than roff) > - soelim (also used for manpages and we have a clean BSD licensed version= which > is also now parts of mandoc) That sounds like a good plan to me. Thank you for putting in all the time trying out the alternate roff toolchains! -Ben