From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 14:26:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C646137B497 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:26:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7217643F85 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:26:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDCD2A8BB; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:26:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Chuck Swiger In-Reply-To: <3E85B19D.9060201@mac.com> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:26:48 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20030329222648.5BDCD2A8BB@canning.wemm.org> cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Weird messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 22:26:51 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > Peter Wemm wrote: > [ ... ] > > It looks like the mime support in mailman is just too smart for its own > > good.. majordomo just blindly appended the trailer, but mailman is doing > > it by adding a new mime section. Eww. Its perfectly valid mime, but > > obviously the nesting is making things interesting to some mailers. > > The general problem of appending stuff-- mailing list info, annoying > legal disclaimers :-), etc-- to email, and having the result be even > approximately correct when viewed by the wide variety of mail user > agents, is a lot harder than it may appear. MIME-aware MUA's that > mishandle multipart content-types cause most of the difficulty. Indeed. But what majordomo did seemed to work. I'll try making Mailman smarter (ignore multipart/signed content) or simply doing a blind append like majordomo has been doing for us for the last 8 years. > Also, MailMan needs to be able to send to list members who prefer either > plain text or MIME formatted... It is set to remove html. Well, sort-of. If a multipart/alternative message arrives with just text/plan and text/html, then it'll strip the html entirely. If a multipart/alternative message has nothing but a text/plain inside, then the multipart will be removed and leave just the text/plain. If a message has just got text/html after the strip-down, then it'll use lynx to render a text-only representation of the html. The control that it does give you though is for digests.. It'll generate plain-text or mime style digests. It doesn't really support per-user preferences when in bulk mail mode like now, where it sends the same message to all recipients. If we switched to VERP mode or something, each person would get their own personalized messages. But that is a Big Deal on resource consumption, so I'm not prepared to try that yet. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5