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[92.111.79.242]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e49sm1316961eda.90.2017.12.06.05.54.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Dec 2017 05:54:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Welcome flavors! portmaster now dead? synth? To: Jaap Akkerhuis References: <88f04a02-5cbd-0aa7-45ce-0f613910614a@shatow.net> <2666A903-BB88-46F7-A692-33651FEA780F@xs4all.nl> From: Johan Hendriks Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 14:54:07 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2666A903-BB88-46F7-A692-33651FEA780F@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: nl X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 13:54:12 -0000 > >> On Dec 6, 2017, at 14:01, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Bryan Drewery wrote: >>> I plan to look at portupgrade + FLAVORS support in the next few weeks as >>> well. >>> >> Very, very much appreciated! > Yes, same here. > > My experience thus far is that the current version "just works" > most of the time. Sometimes I get an "error 70" or something like > that but going into the port directory itself and doing a "make > deinstall" followed by a "make install" get rid of these problems. > For python things, a "make FLAVOR=py27" seems needed. All in all, > I haven't seen any reason to abandon FreeBSD and am patient enough > to wait for a fixed portmaster. > > Regards, > > jaap > I did get the error70 also, albeit this was in /usr/ports/www/apache24 which as far as I know has nothing to do with flavour Things will settle in the end, and as i am using poudriere for most of my systems, i am not that worried. Leaving FreeBSD for me has never crossed my mind, but I think these things can be handled better. First notify these big changes on the frontpage of FreeBSD.org like in X days the ports tree is going to receive flavours, this change will leave a lot  of port tools in a not working state. Also A nice info page about flavours would be nice. I am not deep into ports and havent had the time to look into it yet,  but finding good info about flavours is not that easy. Then put a nice wiki page online that tells people how they can use poudriere in a simple oneliner version to replace portmaster. Also let people know on the frontpage that Flavours have finally landed in the ports tree and remind them again that it could be that there favorite port tool could be obsolete. A lot of users want things to be easy. There not system administrators that have the time to figure out the new way of updating there system. I think hell would freeze over if Microsoft does it the way FreeBSD did it now with there windows update. This way we scare people off. I saw people asking for help and all they hear was use poudriere!! regards Johan