From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 26 10:30:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E73E14EAB for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:30:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09649; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:29:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: dyson@iquest.net Cc: bpechter@shell.monmouth.com, brett@lariat.org, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Swan song In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:19:46 EST." <199903261519.KAA01629@y.dyson.net> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:29:43 -0800 Message-ID: <9647.922472983@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You know, John, this invective about "boneheaded marketing" is starting to piss me off, and mostly because I never got spit in the way of logistical support from you when it comes to marketing this product - you talk a good fight, but when it comes time to actually "fight" you run away, citing a lack of ability at writing or speaking or, if you're feeling especially cagey, the fact that you "can't talk about your work." That's all pure bunkum, however, in light of the fact that you don't need to violate a single Oracle NDA to give a paper at OSDI or the USENIX technical conference on what you've done with FreeBSD's VM system, for example, or to write about it for Dr. Dobbs Journal if you're feeling less inclined to face the crowds. Either way, it's something that a lot of people have asked for and a frequent criticism of the FreeBSD project that nobody will either document or talk publically about the "behind the scenes" work that goes on in FreeBSD's design and implementation. If not you, who else? What about all this "G2" stuff you're working on, where's the PR campaign for that? I haven't gotten so much as a single _white paper_ out of you, John, and as far as I'm concerned you haven't got one shred of "moral authority" when it comes to judging our PR efforts in public like you have. Either start putting up here or confine your barking to a topic in which you've actually shown yourself willing to directly contribute. To do otherwise only pisses those people who *ARE* attempting to do something, anything, regardless of whether anyone else thinks it's "enough" or not. At least we're doing something tangible, a characteristic you yourself would do well to emulate before you fire off your next quiver of arrows in this forum. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message