From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 1 13:51:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.matriplex.com (ns1.matriplex.com [208.131.42.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B4837B401 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.matriplex.com (mail.matriplex.com [208.131.42.9]) by mail.matriplex.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA86933; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:51:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rh@matriplex.com) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hodges To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Cc: Paul Richards , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should URL's be pervasive. In-Reply-To: <20010901024247.P8939@futuresouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Sep 2001, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > > For traceroute, I want to send a series of TCP SYN packets to > > www.ufp.org, port 80 with increasing TTL values. Perhaps this > > No, it doesn't. > http://www.ufp.org/ does NOT mean TCP port 80. > www.ufp.org:80 means port 80, I don't know of any simple common way to > say TCP. > > http://www.ufp.org/ means the host 'www.ufp.org' using the protocol > 'http' with the TCP port 80 implicity as a result of the 'http'. > Traceroute is not going to use HTTP. Ping is not going to use HTTP. > Rpcinfo is not going to use HTTP. A mail client is not going to use > HTTP (this one is perhaps debatable, but I'm sure as hell not going > there). Agreed. I thought that it would be funny to carry this to an absurd conclusion, but I guess some people would rather just take the opportunity to assume ignorance in others. > If you want to take a URI passed to 'ping', say, and parse out a > hostname, that's one thing which I'm sure we could have endless > disagreement about. But doing that is *NOT* parsing it as a URI. Well, since humor doesn't work, I will be blunt. I think that the utilities and agents work just fine, thank-you-very-much. I think that adding URI handling to ping, traceroute, ftp, mail, etc. is a waste of time. To me, "mailto:" suggests a TCP connection to port 25, and it is (at best) nuissance information when I want to do a ping or traceroute. The same with "http:". -Richard ------------------------------------------- Richard Hodges | Matriplex, inc. Product Manager | 769 Basque Way rh@matriplex.com | Carson City, NV 89706 775-886-6477 | www.matriplex.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message