From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 26 2:15:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F578152F9 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 02:15:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA15110; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:45:01 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id SAA59617; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:45:00 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:45:00 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Radu-Cristian FOTESCU Cc: John Armstrong , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What to tell to Linux-centric people?! Message-ID: <19990726184500.W51019@freebie.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Radu-Cristian FOTESCU on Mon, Jul 26, 1999 at 10:40:44AM +0300 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 26 July 1999 at 10:40:44 +0300, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: >> I agree. color ls is totally lame and I think you can get it running >> on freebsd but..why? I guess I must be the old one, not the OS... To >> each their own, but in my opinion a new install should never default >> to 'bells and whistles' mode as it assumes to much on the part of the >> end user hardware configs. > > It in _NOT_ a "too much assumption on end user hardware configs" to assume > it has a color-able terminal, in order to see "ls-color" running! > > And... it's too bad FreeBSD community is _that_ conservative and doesn't > make a 5-minute change in installation's _DEFAULTS_ that could attract 50% > of Linux community to FreeBSD! If that were the only effect, we'd do it. But the truth is that we would piss off most of the FreeBSD community. Understand: there are many people, myself included, who don't like colour ls. Don't get me wrong, I think we should do more to make it easy for Linux people to migrate to FreeBSD. But that's a sideline; somebody commented that we don't want to turn FreeBSD into Linux. On the other hand, the shell issue is an example of where we go over the top: I looked on freefall yesterday, and only one person uses csh. Nobody uses sh. I'd guess a large minority use tcsh, a couple use zsh, and the largest single group (60%?) use bash. So why don't we do it? I think it's just a matter of time before we do. > I saw that stupid "ls-NONcolour" default This sounds like a value judgement. > Should we also suppose that the fact the user MAY want to install X > is a "too much assumption"? No. > So, whay don't we take out this from the installation procedure, and > force the user to search for himself/herself for that? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. You have the option of installing X or not doing so. What's your point? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message