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Date:      Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:45:00 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <rfotescu@idsrom.com>
Cc:        John Armstrong <siberian@siberian.org>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: What to tell to Linux-centric people?!
Message-ID:  <19990726184500.W51019@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <C1F3617BDC52D21185E40000214C247C154053@id-bucharest.idsrom.com>; from Radu-Cristian FOTESCU on Mon, Jul 26, 1999 at 10:40:44AM %2B0300
References:  <C1F3617BDC52D21185E40000214C247C154053@id-bucharest.idsrom.com>

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On Monday, 26 July 1999 at 10:40:44 +0300, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote:
>> I agree. color ls is totally lame and I think you can get it running
>> on freebsd but..why? I guess I must be the old one, not the OS... To
>> each their own, but in my opinion a new install should never default
>> to 'bells and whistles' mode as it assumes to much on the part of the
>> end user hardware configs.
>
> It in _NOT_ a "too much assumption on end user hardware configs" to assume
> it has a color-able terminal, in order to see "ls-color" running!
>
> And... it's too bad FreeBSD community is _that_ conservative and doesn't
> make a 5-minute change in installation's _DEFAULTS_ that could attract 50%
> of Linux community to FreeBSD!

If that were the only effect, we'd do it.  But the truth is that we
would piss off most of the FreeBSD community.  Understand: there are
many people, myself included, who don't like colour ls.

Don't get me wrong, I think we should do more to make it easy for
Linux people to migrate to FreeBSD.  But that's a sideline; somebody
commented that we don't want to turn FreeBSD into Linux.  On the other
hand, the shell issue is an example of where we go over the top: I
looked on freefall yesterday, and only one person uses csh.  Nobody
uses sh.  I'd guess a large minority use tcsh, a couple use zsh, and
the largest single group (60%?) use bash.

So why don't we do it?  I think it's just a matter of time before we
do.

> I saw that stupid "ls-NONcolour" default

This sounds like a value judgement.

> Should we also suppose that the fact the user MAY want to install X
> is a "too much assumption"?

No.

> So, whay don't we take out this from the installation procedure, and
> force the user to search for himself/herself for that?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.  You have the option of
installing X or not doing so.  What's your point?

Greg
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