From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 10 10:13:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C9137B400 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsidian.sentex.ca (obsidian.sentex.ca [64.7.128.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D9D43E3B for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:13:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simian.sentex.net (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by obsidian.sentex.ca (8.12.5/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6AHDMmW013193; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:13:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020710130743.03de01a8@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:17:13 -0400 To: bjones@polestar.org, Matthew Dillon From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: strange ATA behavior with -STABLE Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: By Sentex Communications (obsidian/20020220) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:54 AM 10/07/2002 -0700, Bill Jones wrote: >I also find it disppointing that we're discussing whether or not >this will be fixed in version 4.6.1. I don't think we have a choice, >unless we're not going to claim stability anymore. If the commits/changes _didnt_ get put in you would see a string of emails, "I also find it disappointing that we're discussing whether or not a whole slew of modern commonly available and used ATA controllers will not be supported in version 4.6.1." >Large IDE drives are cheap and commonplace. Yes, and Soren's work allows us to use large IDE drives and modern ATA controllers. >If we're so willing >to make FreeBSD work on laptops, then we should at least give a concerned >nod to the most common disk system in average installation. Most common what ? Legacy system ? Most common out there today ? Most common platform someone installs FreeBSD on for the first time ? The ata drivers are most certainly broken for some people. Prior to big changes Soren made, the ata drivers were most certainly broken for some people. Remember when the big round of commits went in last time (wd to ad), it broke support for certain old CMD based controllers. FWIW, I have FreeBSD running happily on an old PII-333 laptop just fine with its old hardware. Also, have you actually tried with your hardware / setup ? ---Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message