From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Feb 11 18:04:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236A0CD832E for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 18:04:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCE71EA1 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 18:04:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 0D308CD832D; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 18:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD77CD832B for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 18:04:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [192.108.105.60]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "StartCom Class 2 IV Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3D381EA0 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 18:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (bones.soaustin.net [192.108.105.22]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CE49F2136; Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:04:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:04:03 -0600 From: Mark Linimon To: Michelle Sullivan Cc: scratch65535@att.net, freebsd-ports Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! Message-ID: <20170211180403.GA14424@lonesome.com> References: <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> <35a953e3-918b-fc32-d990-51f7da16c884@FreeBSD.org> <99cr9cp6o01ef949dig289bkspipl8mog7@4ax.com> <20170210211849.GB10806@lonesome.com> <20170211002035.GA11637@lonesome.com> <87172bcd-3305-0e80-ddea-81f388291e2b@sorbs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87172bcd-3305-0e80-ddea-81f388291e2b@sorbs.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 18:04:07 -0000 On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 09:51:41AM +0100, Michelle Sullivan wrote: > Tell me.... What is the reason for me upgrading those few production > servers from 9.3 to 10/11?... bearing in mind the following: There isn't any ... oh, except for no new security updates. The flip side is the more important question. Why should we ask developers to support a version of the OS that doesn't have: >From https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.0R/relnotes.html: * bhyve, drm2, rasbpi, nvme, several overhauled drivers and carp. >From https://www.freebsd.org/releases/11.0R/relnotes.html: * mpr, mrsas, pms, autofs, other overhauled drivers. I recommend folks reading this thread should examine those links. As for things removed from base, my understanding is: * we have limited people to fix/regression test all the security problems in base/ software. A few notorious candidates have been factored out into ports. * there is an overall drive to move to an entirely GPL-free base system. Perhaps this is not important to you but there are others to whome this is important. I have some other thoughts on this but I am being called away to deal with some other crisis ATM. mcl