From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Thu Feb 14 18:22:20 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A223614DCC7C for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 18:22:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com (mail-lf1-x134.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2621854D0 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 18:22:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id l10so5248906lfh.9 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 10:22:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=3Q5GooYkOfwqS1+y+LQZuR4KbYNKSRRKC7UYkdscYeY=; b=uP1/7ufYMguXwymmSsxOl3X2dcnJPrNH1eGkvsKl9UqJkdS2QoHyG5ZYcF7kcOSFWF Tt3SKR/KnaNr2wtmHQXDDj3AyXadyGNIJEueq8mWtpLx3iFoM4VTxti+B4NBzjJ2qS5T S1QeYnhT1+iWTF8R24GnOXHsp2QvUjhbyleJ4qIWHFUjkdwLVPvs/3r28L+csChQrouR gKC5XJ3YiuIZlnStmeOEbKvk8sI+dhMCIkQb/W3oJt0C/KAgCNvwkPfWVuMIp0GLl3UD Y5YJxJaR2xlpPXyRq43eYtZ+jMNDVjsYgxpmTuVp9Lcri8oERkc0n6POAtn5jR/Nl1XZ 2z3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3Q5GooYkOfwqS1+y+LQZuR4KbYNKSRRKC7UYkdscYeY=; b=CP0rwUFeZ7+myJDV8lDUF9aWr64dD77mNuXGL8ys8Moj0UXGi043z7Jo5ebTUqceLK /80ywt09lZnDLJRJ2+DkXRnUhlogt9DpbafB4bQ5huKBLyyjdeH6tg+EmpOsuI6HTB7h seBdWeUF4reNLcsj8QRtU8Hm1E3kmCn6BweBhMmUHyHpoP7YLvorbSQEh9NEUevXgRoN DvbKWYmvvu6RPRbddZQC/qcwOuNfzQYR5+d1HbmgtoSFBP+LnKS9oLFCNUPeZyAaK8rJ MNV6kSrvVNYpuN4HM6zIspnajylHmkJI6QdBPqzpClC651G5XJEilzH/IpjKKCwFCUWf 5rVw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuZ3zQFCSz5Bkfw3PfPRe2rL8voCzz9q6fz7MwTRaCy1QGxEpopA h27TF0iPK0tUcTnmoj9F+ol1zAdcs9viD0B8tV2R5g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IY4a0Xrs5ZcNbazVbD3nxYC+moqmLPj+r0TNrbSHXShGSvP6XZ29+WM6s8L3j/YrCQM+/0oJ3+HToCxwiy8tnM= X-Received: by 2002:a19:41ca:: with SMTP id o193mr2865074lfa.121.1550168538001; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 10:22:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <80937c57-7757-3c70-5198-4da12c4f23d9@denninger.net> <20190213134939.GO2748@home.opsec.eu> <29563d3e-608d-591e-89bb-bf428b52bdc8@denninger.net> <1656e7f5-ef76-55d8-f46c-416223c5f975@ingresso.co.uk> In-Reply-To: From: Freddie Cash Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 10:22:06 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Binary update to -STABLE? And if so, what do I get? To: Kevin Oberman Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A2621854D0 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=uP1/7ufY; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of fjwcash@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::134 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fjwcash@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.26 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.74)[ip: (-9.33), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.30), asn: 15169(-1.98), country: US(-0.07)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.52)[-0.518,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 18:22:20 -0000 On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:13 AM Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:10 AM Pete French > wrote: > > On 14/02/2019 01:43, Jason Tubnor wrote: > > > I also have hit this IPv6 issue (I thought I was going crazy until I > > worked > > > it out) and other iflib issues in 12.0, which have been fixed in > -STABLE > > > that really should be patched in 12.0 or bring forward an early 12.1 > > > release. For our use case, 12.0 is just too buggy for production at > this > > > rate and we won't touch it, which is a shame because there is a lot of > > good > > > work in there that we would like to use but it is trumped by the > > breakages. > > > > Any reason behind not running STBLE out of interest ? Yes, 12 has been > > buggy with regards to networking, but these things get fixed very fast > > and I now have all my machines on the lattest STABLE in production, as > > of yesterday. > > > > -pete. > > > > Generally, not many. > > Far and away the biggest is the requirement to build from sources. It's not > a big deal for me, but if I still had many systems to deal with, that would > be a pain. > Just as one can setup a poudriere/synth system for building custom binary package repositories (so one builds packages on one system for easy installation on multiple systems using binary packages), one can also setup a custom freebsd-update server (so one builds the OS on one system, for easy installation on multiple servers using binary updates). And that can be done to track -STABLE or -CURRENT, I believe. Granted, I have never done it, nor looked too deeply into the documentation around it, but I do know it's possible. :) At least in theory. :D IOW, the days of needing to compile everything on each individual machine are behind us. -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com