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Date:      Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:19:47 +1000 (EST)
From:      Bruce Evans <brde@optusnet.com.au>
To:        "Rick C. Petty" <rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com>
Cc:        freebsd-fs@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Writing contigiously to UFS2?
Message-ID:  <20070927060725.O60903@delplex.bde.org>
In-Reply-To: <20070926171756.GB41567@keira.kiwi-computer.com>
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Rick C. Petty wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 06:37:18PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Rick C. Petty wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 04:10:19AM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote:
>>>>
>>>> of disk can be mapped.  I get 180MB in practice, with an inode bitmap
>>>> size of only 3K, so there is not much to be gained by tuning -i but
>>>
>>> I disagree.  There is much to be gained by tuning -i: 224.50 MB per CG vs.
>>> 183.77 MB..  that's a 22% difference.
>>
>> That's a 22% reduction in seeks where the cost of seeking every 187MB
>> is a few mS every second.  Say the disk speed 61MB/S and the seek cost
>> is 15 mS.  Then we waste 15 mS every 3 seconds with 183 MB cg's, or 2%.
>> After saving 22%, we waste only 1.8%.
>
> I'm not sure why this discussion has moved into speed/performance
> comparisons.  I'm saying 22% difference in CG size.

Size is uninteresting except where it affects speed.  "-i large" saves some
disk space but not 22%, and disk space is almost free.  "-b large -f large"
costs disk space.

>> Since I
>> got to within 1% of the raw disk speed, there is little more to be
>> gained in speed here.  (The OP's problem was not speed.)
>
> I agree-- why are you discussing speed?  I mean, it's interesting.  But I
> was only discussing CG sizes and suggesting using the inode density option
> to reduce the amount of space "wasted" with filesystem metadata.

The OP's problem was that due to an apparently-untuned maxbpg and/or maxbpg
not actually working, data was scattered over all cg's and thus over all
disks when it was expected/wanted to be packed into a small number of disks.
Packing into a large number of small cg's should give the same effect on
the number of disks used as packing into a small number of large cg's, but
apparently doesn't, due to the untuned maxbpg and/or bugs.

> I do think the performance differences are interesting, but how much of the
> differences are irrelevant when looking at modern drives with tagged
> queuing, large I/O caches, and reordered block operations?

It depends on how big the seeks are (except a really modern drive would be
RAM with infinitely fast seeks :-).  I think any large-enough cylinder
groups would be large enough for the seek time to be significant.

Bruce



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