From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Nov 17 11:21: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0624E37B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:21:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from MX3.estpak.ee (mta1.mail.neti.ee [194.126.101.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC86E43E6E for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:21:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kalts@estpak.ee) Received: from tiiu.internal (80-235-33-106-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.33.106]) by MX3.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD3D8800E; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:21:04 +0200 (EET) Received: from tiiu.internal (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiiu.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHJL48G002028; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:21:04 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vallo@tiiu.internal) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by tiiu.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAHJL3Q3002027; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:21:03 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vallo) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:21:03 +0200 From: Vallo Kallaste To: Sam Drinkard Cc: Eugene Grosbein , Kenneth Mays , scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -STABLE was stable for long time (Re: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS?) Message-ID: <20021117192103.GB1909@tiiu.internal> Reply-To: kalts@estpak.ee References: <20021117224945.A806@grosbein.pp.ru> <20021117182801.GB1131@tiiu.internal> <3DD7E2EC.5050805@vortex.wa4phy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DD7E2EC.5050805@vortex.wa4phy.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i-ja.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:41:48PM -0500, Sam Drinkard wrote: > I've been using -stable for about 2 years now, and I can tell you this > much. -Stable, at least for me, IS stable. Of course, I'm not running > any heavy load on the machine, but in all of my rebuilds, I've never > (knock on wood) had any problems that weren't caused by my own lack of > knowledge. When I first moved to the -stable branch (4.2 I believe) > from a 3.2-R system, I had a few problems crop up, but as the updates > came out, the problems went away. I don't have to have the "latest and > greatest" every few days or months.. sometimes I'll go a year before > I'll decide to upgrade, then it's primarily due to security > considerations, and not any specific fix. The one thing I can say to > everyone involved in the building of FreeBSD is thank you for such good > documentation. I unfortunately have to have a linux machine running due > to specific software that will not run on *bsd, and from my very limited > exposure to linux, I can say the documentation stinks. At some point, I > will most likely go back to a -Release, but the thoughts of reworking > and re-installing from scratch 10 years worth of software, files, and > configurations really scares me, even with good, valid backups. When > you progressivley move from a version of 1 to a version of 4.7 over 10 > years, you learn a bit about what works and what doesn't. Well, I don't have any hard facts to guard my words unfortunately, because all the memories are under the dust of time. This all can go down to the simple fact that when I first jumped over to FreeBSD from Linux on 2.2.1 days I was a greenhorn and my needs were very simple. But I remember the fact that I were switching because of Linux unstability. Still, my overall feeling is that stability has gotten worse over time. IMO. -- Vallo Kallaste kalts@estpak.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message