From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 29 20:21:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202AA106564A; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:21:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08C18FC08; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so30501779iad.13 for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:21:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=hbzn0H2Y98XxsyvIY7ZfUF62hVR6TVT+CSB2bODVmfk=; b=vUL/k6uS3TE+YqDb+UGHajPOE2ZgAUNML/qGDF5zzn3IW1aHmBvYRlqURhu3WwTuhw dl9xWqeYbiDU1jaK0sErcandILTMeGQVQr0hJM81OHKPzg8CX/7j1pZ8m3iRiQquul0l 1qTPN9HgCQa5IuGd7zmoyDb8JL2D3Gu69QphM= Received: by 10.50.153.135 with SMTP id vg7mr43234582igb.12.1325190103254; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:21:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: utisoft@gmail.com Received: by 10.231.207.7 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:21:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1325183038.93200.YahooMailClassic@web113516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4EFC9745.3050901@freebsd.org> <1325183038.93200.YahooMailClassic@web113516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:21:11 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: HqJdzCQvx1vvyZno_yleawAaIA4 Message-ID: To: pfg@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Nathan Whitehorn Subject: Re: Removal of sysinstall from HEAD and lack of a post-install configuration tool X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:21:44 -0000 On 29 December 2011 18:23, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > --- Gio 29/12/11, Nathan Whitehorn ha scritto: >> I'd appreciate any specific comments you might have, and >> especially >> specific suggestions for improvements. Except from people >> who are old >> hands at sysinstall, I've received almost universally >> positive comments >> on the user experience. Patches would be even more >> appreciated, since >> real life has intervened to steal most of my FreeBSD time. >> -Nathan >> > > FWIW; > > I have practically given up on installing FreeBSD lately > and I mostly use PC-BSD. I mainly see two big issues: > > -X.Org has become very difficult to install. Setting up > hald and friends, not to mention that you have to choose > carefully your hardware previously. It's a nightmare. I've not found that... installing xorg-drivers with the correct options is hassle-free... have you posted these problems to -x11@? > - I am OK with sysinstall disappearing: however it was > nice to have all the setup tools in one place. How am > I supposed to install prebuilt packages (and the myriad > of dependencies) from now on? Ports are cool but having > to wait to rebuild gcc to be able to use scilab is a > nonsense. Use packages, we do do them! Chris > PC-BSD is not without problems though. In my system > it wants to use "latam" kbd which doesn't even > exist AFAICT. > > Just my $0.02, I know writing a replacement for the > full blown sysinstall is a rather heroic thing to do. > > Regards, > > Pedro.