From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 25 18:59:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5D216A4DE for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:59:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cs1.cs.huji.ac.il (cs1.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A4B43D31 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:59:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32]) by cs1.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 1DQ8ns-000JXj-Is; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:59:32 +0300 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.0 06/18/2004 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Jeff Behl In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:28:59 -0700 . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:59:32 +0300 From: Danny Braniss Message-ID: cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serial/ether console & ramblings X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:59:34 -0000 > Eric Anderson wrote: > > > Danny Braniss wrote: > > > >> hi, > >> I was about to plunge in and 'try' to cleanup the serial console > >> stuff, when it downed on me that newer machines are arriving without > >> serial > >> port! there goes that idea. So USB/serial dongle came to mind, might > >> work, but messy, FireWire is not universaly available. > >> So, why not serial over ethernet? IPMI 'was' to have solved > >> this, but it will (if at all) work on server class MB only, and im still > >> looking for a Unix Viewer. > >> > >> In my case, i have been using the serial console to debug stuff, but > >> being of the old school, i try to stay away from debuggers :-), so > >> printf and stack trace will do. > >> > >> So here are some of my quesions: > >> o - is there some standard? ok, refrase, are there some > >> standards? > >> o - any WIP?, i'm checking out Robert Watson's ethercons > >> o - any great ideas? > > > > > > There are a couple of ports that seem to try to use IPMI. I haven't > > tried them yet though. (sysutils/freeipmi and sysutils/ipmitool). > > > > I can tell you that being about to do serial over ethernet (and > > possibly power cycling) would be incredibly handy. > > > > Eric > > > > > > > NIC drivers have to be made aware of IPMI in order for it to function > when a shared NIC is used. This is not the case with the bge driver, at > the very least. See: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-net/2005-March/thread.html#6725 > > This is also a very big issue for us and we're considering hiring a > contractor to get the relevant parts put into the driver... > i guess IPMI means different things to different people. if it's hardware (not a software emulation), then it has some nice things: 1 - fiddling with the box from far away, without intervention of the OS, like 1.1 - turning off (sometimes on will work too :-), 1.2 - turning on/off the id light- cool if you have many boxes - i used to laugh at this, till i found out that on some u1 boxes there is no place to put a label in the back. 1.3- finding out all kind of stuff, like when was the box assembled, etc. 2- SOL, serial over lan: if this would realy work, then no need for all the cables/kvm etc. point 1.1 and 1.2 is done, so we can via a cli do those things, but it only saves a trip to the computer room. 1.3 is for the nit-picky, i have some 60 u1's, and knowing the status of the FRUs is not that helpful. point 2, on the other hand is exiting, not only because of the cabling, but being able to access the console when needed, without having to connect the serail port (which are disappearing). so is there a client for SOL that runs under FreeBSD? (either IPMI 1.5 or 2.0) danny