From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 3 08:59:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1915D106566C for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:59:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7A58FC08 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2011 08:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p338xTLU007810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2011 09:59:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p338xTLU007810 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1301821175; bh=of8WBVsglbzfamPZOmMZMTTKkJZM7TMA2TjTXkTpMws=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4D9836E9.3020004@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2003=20Apr=202011=2009:59:21=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.15)=20Gecko/20110303=20Thunderbird/3.1.9|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20am=20i=20b ack=20up....???|References:=20<20110402201441.GA2996@thought.org>= 09=0 9<20110402234643.GD4792@thought.org>=09<7C870049-A789-4AD0-97FF-9B BC581CCBD0@d3photography.com>=09<20110403013059.GB18031@thought.or g>=20<20110403034359.7ac8d116.freebsd@edvax.de>|In-Reply-To:=20<20 110403034359.7ac8d116.freebsd@edvax.de>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1. 1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20m icalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature" =3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig22976CD2C4E8D92D51F01330"; b=K9vPys4Y/Fm80H5yXUQsDTjQsXc5njv06Tfu1LfVa3OCsflchtIgL3ET0I3EdsPtD MD18l6k5zxFF9gB1YQgbj4WV2/W4j++ZFgQMVav85dJQtVUIm10uIfUHYHW3kxpIZg Kki8yoSUC44JrEkQHb91/WjBaWwBqa/CVtNjQC7s= Message-ID: <4D9836E9.3020004@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 09:59:21 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110402201441.GA2996@thought.org> <20110402234643.GD4792@thought.org> <7C870049-A789-4AD0-97FF-9BBC581CCBD0@d3photography.com> <20110403013059.GB18031@thought.org> <20110403034359.7ac8d116.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110403034359.7ac8d116.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig22976CD2C4E8D92D51F01330" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: am i back up....??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 08:59:40 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig22976CD2C4E8D92D51F01330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 03/04/2011 02:43, Polytropon wrote: > I can only speak for myself regarding this suggestion, and > I may also admit that I'm not fully happy with it. I would > like to run my own mail server, but corrently I'm using > the one for POP of the provider of my domain. I avoid > SMTP as sending mail from my system (that runs a MTA) > is considered NORMAL by me. Sadly, most others who suffer > from spam do not think so, they reject messages coming from > behind a dynamic IP, so I use my ISP's relay as smarthost > for sending messages. This way, I can still use ANY mail > client program I want - I get the messages using fetchmail > and can then process them with any program, even "in > parallel". For sending, I can even | mail -s bla bob@foo.bar > from the command line. It may not be optimal for all > imaginable scenarios (e. g. reading mail from a different > system, sending from a different location), but as I do > not require them, it's no big deal. Personally, I agree entirely with the idea of running your own mail server -- so long as you have a sufficient level of competence, and I think most of the people in this thread would be entirely capable. Unfortunately that's not true of the majority of most ISP's clientele, and bitter experience has led them to clamp down on SMTP-from-home in various ways. Some ISPs are friendly to more technically adept users -- mine is a case in point -- but these are few and far between. Even so, you can still run your own servers. You can get a minimally spec'd machine (virtual or physical) at quite a reasonable price nowadays. Polytropon -- given your location, have you checked out hetzner.de? They've got some good deals, and they support using FreeBSD too. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig22976CD2C4E8D92D51F01330 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2YNvEACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwtmwCcD8u0hnMtuuaq20dI7/p+BDvH qdcAn3GODxrlCCzxCgAfLfnyg4EMZhKG =ApfA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig22976CD2C4E8D92D51F01330--