From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 24 06:22:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE279F2 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 06:22:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6724@bellsouth.net) Received: from nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6253D1F3A for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 06:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 06:21:05 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.241] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 06:21:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2013 06:21:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1372054865; bh=AmezaFm0rjntUDXnvm3m1Ynfa7oE1XcIoYK0XU+JJi4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:Date:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:X-Not-Really-To:To:Subject; b=PtcAGZWi8vocyjBW9S4h5zBTrvtXF9XPDsJaTjj2jmewg277QT0ZwhNZU+dhJ6fhVR5HFEpzHql7hkzL5+TOJ9b/4COuKm+RLDhGGzK+C22VCuzzvsmMlu3mVKkWLsc+WlWx/OJQKw0gPqr/SlYN78WAwqg8Yp8rc5pwYmrEXMw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 644570.1663.bm@smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <644570.1663.bm@smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 23:21:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: apKGYl0VM1nKn4o2Ta42X0_DcmpLqMC_4D2QVgVZkW4dImU Rar5g3YZyOoobf_SA6QRzJiikvAjoKk4_8_dBGZowvg.ZGCm4gvGXL.NHWWm A0nEed2N3i3eFPKdCRgPBu2Nivy1o55f27GMebgBNrnJIsDjPHxdEy2AYrlS sZndO82lL.VUlOCQkdReFEkbfsTLTlJggpgHsE_15XJVxdQbAFHIEHeYoaaN WoHaRxINtkmL8eavnJrJedEbZqFYba5UWHrFDv7ht9gUlUotdLqfJCbK9r9P G_CipKwy8_hrslwsNOGcshKhmyTmvK_NiPjvFu6r3TaZycLWBn52iU1Ox61R WyTAZvFa9AUgDAXUC7.2RuGOHWLNXxTCWuye6kOxwpAeDUJE7EHnmZjOeRj2 C.3gvbZ8FDZ3xsKyMGnQab2V9gqSs_u7EprOjXkJSairA4udDkKF7fi2m4OI lEKxXfN7dE3VCNKnzIywlaSr8E9JPIJZH3ECzGe_Z54MzZT71ZWGBBgSoXdI hECumjrkqskiensr3IBYWHKQ- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Kz_aW1.swBBYof3zAD7.RWzXz9ZAQVDMml1VADsbgPT4Kq79LC0- X-Rocket-Received: from localhost (mueller6724@74.130.200.176 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2013 23:21:05 -0700 PDT From: "Thomas Mueller" X-Not-Really-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS UP] switch default xorg version in 9.1 and later X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 06:22:55 -0000 from Niclas Zeising: > This update is being held off for now. There was some concern regarding > the lack of working VT switching when using the KMS-enabled Intel > driver, so we have decided to keep the old xorg as the default for now, > while the VT switching issues are being worked on. I can understand, especially after my experience where startx crashed and required Reset button. But I might possibly try the new Xorg if I build and run FreeBSD-current, knowing that will be mainly for testing and experimentation rather than production use. I will want to run releng-9 (STABLE) for more everyday use, but that would likely be in a different GPT partition on the same hard drive. Is that too dangerous, could FreeBSD-current run amok and trash other partitions, should I run on a separate drive or USB 3.0 stick? But probably less dangerous than any NetBSD. I would want to keep a vesa version of xorg.conf for fallback. I will also need to know how to open a root xterm after starting X as nonroot. This response is delayed because of all the time I spent trying in vain to set up my HP LaserJet printer using hplip for both FreeBSD (ports) and NetBSD (pkgsrc). NetBSD pkgsrc has also gone to xorg-server-1.12.4 which I imagine might be comparable to FreeBSD regarding the new xorg. I was able to not crash and to get back to the text VT when running vesa version of xorg.conf, so maybe that fallback is good for FreeBSD too? But with NetBSD in X, the mouse pointer could be moved right-to-left and back but not up and down: one of many glitches and undependabilities tht I've experienced with NetBSD. Tom