From nobody Wed Jan 24 23:53:53 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TL15H6d9tz58yKf for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2024 23:54:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pmh@hausen.com) Received: from mail2.pluspunkthosting.de (mail2.pluspunkthosting.de [217.29.33.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TL15H3xLrz4sZc for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2024 23:54:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pmh@hausen.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from smtpclient.apple (87.138.185.145) by mail2.pluspunkthosting.de (Axigen) with (ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) ESMTPSA id 172B25; Thu, 25 Jan 2024 00:54:04 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.300.61.1.2\)) Subject: Re: Removing fdisk and bsdlabel (legacy partition tools) From: "Patrick M. Hausen" In-Reply-To: <202401242347.40ONlWKZ099356@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 00:53:53 +0100 Cc: FreeBSD Current Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <202401242347.40ONlWKZ099356@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.300.61.1.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TL15H3xLrz4sZc X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16188, ipnet:217.29.32.0/20, country:DE] Hi all, > Am 25.01.2024 um 00:47 schrieb Rodney W. Grimes = : >=20 >> I would agree personally, to moving to ports (eg ports/sysutils) with >> a DEPRECATED in the DESCR or something, or better yet a Make >> invokation event to say "superceded, here is how to proceed against >> advice") or something. >=20 > They are totally useless as ports when your booted from install > media and working from a standalone shell. These are the exact > times you want things like fdisk and bsdlabel so you can figure > out wtf is going on, and bsdinstall is NOT gona help you. >=20 > I know there are a boat load of people that have built there > own installers for VM's and stuff, running UFS and I bet you > they are using MBR disks too. PLEASE do not kick these tiny > little and very usable and pretty univeral (as far as I know > ALL BSD's have fdisk and bsdlabel/disklabel) tools out of > the base system. >=20 > The world is NOT 2TB nvme drives with GPT, EFI and ZFS, > yours might not be, but I am pretty certain I am not > alone in this other world. I totally undestand that point, but what exactly do these tools do that gpart cannot? On MBR disks? With BSD partitions? Ever since I found out that gpart can manage *all* on-disk partition = formats I have not been using anything else. You can create your MBR partitions and BSD labels just fine with gpart. At least in all situations I = encountered, there might of course be edge cases I simply don't know. gpart is not the "GPT partition tool". It's the universal swiss army = knife "GEOM partition tool" for all disk partitioning in any format supported. Kind regards, Patrick=