From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 11 1: 2:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1358937B406 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 01:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0211.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.211] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 176RpH-0001P1-00; Sat, 11 May 2002 01:01:59 -0700 Message-ID: <3CDCCFD8.E9D3AD23@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 01:01:28 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Schultz Cc: "Brandon D. Valentine" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP References: <20020504001121.GA3310@ussenterprise.ufp.org> <20020503233143.S16006-100000@leto.homeportal.2wire.net> <20020511004814.A43416@HAL9000.wox.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Schultz wrote: > Thus spake Brandon D. Valentine : > > I know we've got gnats, but gnats doesn't really provide any of the > > Request for Enhancement/voting features that Bugzilla does. FreeBSD > > seems to have grown to a point where maybe some of Bugzilla's workflow > > benefits could be realized. The ability for developers and users to > > vote for or against a specific feature certainly wouldn't hurt. > > I don't know about that; the current system seems to work pretty well. > Best of all, things actually get done without there being religious > wars about the colors of various bikesheds. When an issue comes up > that people *really* care about, it finds its way to the lists anyway. > If people had to vote about every little change, I imagine there'd be > chaos. Voting isn't the right way to settle a disagreement anyway. Doesn't bugzilla still have that remote exploit problem that was reported on Bugtraq? Also, I think voting is generally done by "write the code". You really can't demand volunteers work on what you want them to work on. If someone asks for comments, feel free to comment, and if they start a public discussion, feel free to discuss, but I think "voting on bug fixes" has the ring of imposing management on people who you are not paying enough to put up with it. It worked for Mozilla because Netscape paid people to put up with doing work they didn't want to do and getting input from people who were unwilling to write the code themselves. Pure volunteer efforts are different. To persuade, you can't just vote, you actually have to be persuasive. 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message