From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 19 20:32:20 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1CE5AADE3 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:32:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2Ftq3F1Bz3rQg for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:32:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2Ftn47ctzDqhJ for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:32:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616185937; bh=OPr6Jhqrp0Ra03tyHnm6AFo3lHXPTvErYuvKTFMOR58=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=hquPfBupfFfoveuTNSyuAKw6oXZRxB0G5KDONEtlQv0D/MSLL36RI063EwFBC1Jt0 2Wi0pekxrco+aFGdu+FDggzRi/O+gqn8M7beoQD/iO4du+41MEIDRyfHFeDgvdW1ez tmBl+ycLMBsVlTxbp+AAU03lOhiYFBNj6pu4snIo= X-Riseup-User-ID: C4F75E10AC9A6E04594F2FED04BCDB0A3654278286E7B389E6E041AB3AE4D6B5 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F2Ftm6mNTz1ySR for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 21:32:14 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210319213214.4f8ddf55@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <6054BE1B.50706@gmail.com> <20210319130249.000042a1@seibercom.net> <5a8cf0be-646a-a433-2428-9700a47c1bf0@att.net> <20210319140448.00007521@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2Ftq3F1Bz3rQg X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=hquPfBup; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 20:32:20 -0000 On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:16:33 -0700, freebsd@johnea.net wrote: >Void uses a runit init system with no systemd Hi, I suspect it's not a good idea to use Linux without systemd. For example, by upstream udev is part of systemd. Maintaining Linux without systemd is a bottomless pit. On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:35:21 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >Recompiling the kernel is *TRIVIAL* if you refuse to do it then you >should not be using any Unix variant I dislike this tone of voice. However, I agree that compiling the kernel might be less effort, than migrating to another operating system. If you would e.g. migrate to Arch Linux, you need to get used to systemd. Getting used to systemd isn't pleasant. If you chose a Linux distro that doesn't use systemd, you likely will experience all kinds of trouble, if you want to customize your install. Regards, Ralf