From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 10 16:10:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0FD106566C for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from craig001@lerwick.hopto.org) Received: from lerwick.hopto.org (lerwick.hopto.org [204.51.112.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330E88FC14 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:10:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13945 invoked by uid 98); 10 Sep 2010 15:45:34 +0000 Received: from 81.187.141.93 by mailserver (envelope-from , uid 82) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (clamdscan: 0.96.1/11509. spamassassin: 3.3.1. Clear:RC:1(81.187.141.93):. Processed in 0.017425 secs); 10 Sep 2010 15:45:34 -0000 Received: from 93.141.187.81.in-addr.arpa (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (81.187.141.93) by lerwick.hopto.org with SMTP; 10 Sep 2010 15:45:34 +0000 From: Craig Butler To: Chip Camden In-Reply-To: <20100910151651.GA29465@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <86occ5k6yo.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20100910151651.GA29465@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:43:32 +0100 Message-ID: <1284133412.5254.5.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:10:17 -0000 On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 08:16 -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Randal L. Schwartz on Friday, 10 September 2010: > > >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Sommer writes: > > > > Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. > > Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across > > Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly. > > Mark> Java is still a very viable platform, even on the browser. > > > > Whenever I see Java firing up on my browser, I cringe. (Flash too.) > > > > There are darn few things either of these do that a good modern > > cross-platform library, like jQueryUI, can't do instead. > > > > Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes as well. And yes, until > > then, we're stuck with Flash. > > > > We needed Java before we had good JavaScript. Now we have good > > JavaScript. > > > > I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. > > > > Perhaps someone could provide specific use cases for which Java is the > only good solution? > > I don't have Flash installed on my browser, and what I lack from that is > evident. I have yet to miss Java in any way. What problems would it > solve for people that can't be solved using a different approach? > One that springs to mind for me is alom/ilo/drac console redirection... It requires java unfortunately. I suspect there are a lot of legacy applications that use javaws... It will take time for them to catch up once html5 is proper mainstream if at all. Cheers Craig B