From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 15:44:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E85D16A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:44:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jsbowden@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C6343D73 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:44:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jsbowden@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so904074wri for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:44:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jJhOsEhBxVHEvN92uoMUGKixy1F+FftmR9MEh6HvqB/Rdhnah+M95vLi/nZxQDYPI6tLhqH4kZkwmeA9Gliym3+xbQjQ9PZYiBtIRx58HoLXAjMct+metdMuWrzSX4RaoxvoKLW4cN/QHNaElBGY8w6eDRn4vIj1ML+QE6+qkts= Received: by 10.66.222.9 with SMTP id u9mr4870079ugg; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.243.6 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:44:12 -0400 From: "Jamie Bowden" Sender: jsbowden@gmail.com To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200609100159.k8A1xAIn089481@drugs.dv.isc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060909182831.GA32004@FS.denninger.net> <200609100159.k8A1xAIn089481@drugs.dv.isc.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 01fefeb45e014f2e Subject: Re: ARRRRGH! Guys, who's breaking -STABLE's GMIRROR code?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:44:14 -0000 On 9/9/06, Mark Andrews wrote: > > Yeah, -STABLE is what you should run if you want stable code, right? > No. STABLE means STABLE API. > If you want stable code you run releases. Between releases > stable can become unstable. Think of stable as permanent > BETA code. Changes have passed the first level of testing > in current which is permanent ALPHA code. No, this is what it means now. I've been running FreeBSD since 1.1, and -STABLE used to mean exactly that. The developement branch was -C, and -S was where things went after extensive testing. You were not allowed to break -S or Jordan would rip your fingers off. This change to the current structure wasn't meant to be permanent when it was done (between 4 and 5, IIRC), and was only done out of necessity because the changes across that major release were huge. FreeBSD needs an interim track that mirrors what -STABLE used to be, which is a track between point releases that can be relied upon (and RELEASE_x_y doesn't work, since it only addresses security and bugs deemed worthy, which most aren't). -- Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen