From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 3 22:12:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFEA8106564A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:12:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnoland@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gizmo.2hip.net (gizmo.2hip.net [64.74.207.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E948FC18 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:12:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnoland@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [64.134.51.37] (dhcp64-134-51-37.cmos.dca.wayport.net [64.134.51.37]) (authenticated bits=0) by gizmo.2hip.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB3MCg5w072513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:12:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rnoland@FreeBSD.org) From: Robert Noland To: Artem Belevich In-Reply-To: References: <20081128234155.0221e263@serene.no-ip.org> <4930D7CE.4080909@psg.com> <20081202220643.72eb52a3@serene.no-ip.org> <4936D0C2.2090306@zircon.seattle.wa.us> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-PZ76WlNZ+KYNcVM+UG+b" Organization: FreeBSD Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:12:36 -0500 Message-Id: <1228342356.2078.24.camel@wombat.2hip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on gizmo.2hip.net Cc: Randy Bush , "Conrad J. Sabatier" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i give up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:12:47 -0000 --=-PZ76WlNZ+KYNcVM+UG+b Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 11:44 -0800, Artem Belevich wrote: > > Second, DO NOT use motherboards with built-in video. These are almost > > always nvidia chipsets and suffer from the nvidia problem. Also, the v= ideo > > is crappy and buggy. >=20 > I'd not discount them all as a class. Intel's built-in G33/G35 with > recent DRM and x86-video-intel driver seem to work pretty well for > accelerated 2D on the few boxes I have under FreeBSD-8/amd64. I even > get 3D working on occasion. :-) Correct, Despite my occasional frustration with them, Intel is very supportive. They are providing docs and code (linux code) and I have a decent relationship with the Intel graphics devs. ATI/AMD has also become much more friendly and r500 and below should work fairly well. r600+ is still under development. Interestingly enough, VIA just released docs on some of their chips as well. I have it on my list to work on, but I don't yet have hardware to work with. robert. > --Artem > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " --=-PZ76WlNZ+KYNcVM+UG+b Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkk3BFQACgkQM4TrQ4qfROOdOQCeMiIjiX2RnDAVtXCYrLdqABNA vL0AnjTITiqRLack3i6KwoO+2Htxz8lR =2m9a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-PZ76WlNZ+KYNcVM+UG+b--