From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Dec 16 16:39:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1790C80B7A for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 16:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18C81D8E for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 16:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 9E254C80B79; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 16:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C241C80B77 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 16:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Received: from mx5.roble.com (mx5.roble.com [206.40.34.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx5.roble.com", Issuer "mx5.roble.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 865141D8D; Fri, 16 Dec 2016 16:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 08:39:31 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: marino@freebsd.org cc: "ports@FreeBSD.org Ports" Subject: Re: The ports collection has some serious issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1612160831390.3123@mx5.roble.com> References: <5c6df0ce-a473-d125-10a0-71b95a83512b@marino.st> <1612160801490.3123@mx5.roble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 16:39:32 -0000 John Marino wrote: > From porters handbook, section 12.15: > "It is possible to set DEPRECATED without an EXPIRATION_DATE (for instance, > recommending a newer version of the port) I'd consider that to be a bug. > So it's not a contradiction. Ports that have a specific removal date must > have EXPIRATION_DATE set. If you say, well DEPRECATION implies removal, I'd > agree, but it's at an indefinite time and I'd say that time would come when > portmaster no longer works on the current ports tree. When that happens (and > it probably will happen) then EXPIRATION can be set. Non-standard uses of the term "deprecated" are problematic from a usability perspective. Since there is currently no deprecation messages (apologies for the misunderstanding, I haven't used portmaster) at least (TZ) add an install-time WARNING so we can avoid misleading potential portmaster users (and related mailing lists threads/topics). IMO, Roger